00:02 <zackattack> is it possible to use node in interactive mode; like, python -i ?

00:03 <benvie> there's no way to force it currently like with a flag

00:04 <zackattack> oic

00:04 <benvie> you can implement it though

00:04 <benvie> with a bit of playing with child_process

00:04 <zackattack> with require("repl")?

00:04 <benvie> not exactly

00:05 <benvie> that will start the repl but it won't be using the the TTY socket type

00:05 <jesusabdullah> man, lotta people asking for a node -i

00:05 <benvie> yeah

00:05 <jesusabdullah> someone get on adding that

00:05 <benvie> https://gist.github.com/1748873

00:13 <hemanth> jamescarr, child = exec("blah"); child.on('exit',function(code,sig) { if (code) return "DONE";}); missing something?

00:44 <JasonSmith> SubStack: Are you the new pseudo-maintainer of node-tap?

00:45 <JasonSmith> Wondering if there is .tapignore yet, so I can put couch tests or whatever in there too and not have tap nag me

00:45 <SubStack> seemingly

00:46 <SubStack> I usually do tap test/*.js

00:46 <SubStack> and put other stuff in subdirs

00:46 <rook2pawn> can you npm install from github? say a fork

00:46 <SubStack> yep!

00:46 <ningu> what about a spoon?

00:47 <SubStack> rook2pawn: go to the download tab in github and copy the tar.gz link into your package.json dependency

00:52 <jesusabdullah> also, git+ssh://github.com/rook2pawn/project.git should work

00:57 <rook2pawn> SubStack: would it look like "dependencies" : { "https://github.com/foo/modulename/tarball/master" : "" } ?

01:01 <Jarred> For some reason, I can't install coffeecup within my project http://hastebin.com/siwesicaxe

01:04 <jesusabdullah> rook2pawn: "modulename": "https://github.com/path/to/tarball.tgz"

01:06 <Jarred> After basicallyh everything, I get "npm ERR! message ENOENT, no such file or directory '/tmp/npm-1330322744559/1330322744559-0.8374743529129773/package/package.json'"

01:06 <Jarred> *after trying to install basically anything

01:06 <Jarred> via npm

01:07 <SubStack> rook2pawn: "dependencies" : { "beepboop" : "thegiturlgoeshere" }

01:09 <Jarred> Any ideas?

01:21 <Jarred> hm

01:21 <Jarred> Apparently its a permissions error

01:33 <niloy> I am getting this error when trying to install jshint

01:33 <niloy> niloy@Niloy-Laptop:~$ npm install -g jshint

01:33 <niloy> npm ERR! couldn't read package.json in .

01:33 <niloy> npm ERR! Error installing .

01:33 <niloy> npm ERR! Error: ENOENT, No such file or directory 'package.json'

01:33 <niloy> npm ERR! Report this *entire* log at <http://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues>

01:33 <niloy> npm ERR! or email it to <npm-@googlegroups.com>

01:33 <niloy> npm ERR! Just tweeting a tiny part of the error will not be helpful.

01:33 <niloy> npm not ok

01:35 <strager> niloy: npm and node version?

01:35 <niloy> node: 0.4.9, npm: 0.2.19, I am on ubuntu

01:36 <strager> Those are seriously out of date.

01:37 <strager> Try this PPA: https://launchpad.net/~richarvey/+archive/nodejs

01:37 <niloy> ok thanks

01:38 <niloy> strager, should I add that link in the repo?

01:39 <strager> Hmm?

01:39 <niloy> nvm

01:39 <strager> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:richarvey/nodejs

01:43 <hemanth> client = dgram.createSocket("udp4"); and client.send() is working on the interpreter, but not as a module :/ tired trying to figure out the issue

01:44 <JohnnyL> hm. have any of you attempted to call OpenGL through Node.js?

01:50 <hemanth> https://raw.github.com/gist/a6334ce2269d4d3f5faa/a751a581dac339e93b21f17bf33fcfc3b2a3758e/udp.js what's wrong with that? I have a UDP server running for sure on that port and from the REPL it works well :/

01:57 <hemanth> SubStack, facing issue with a simple UDP client, help me!

01:58 <niloy> strager, I added the repo for nodejs, but it shows as "broken" when I am trying to install via synpatic

02:02 <tonymilne> Does anyone have any Ubuntu OS security / node web app security experience?

02:03 <jesusabdullah> define 'security'

02:03 <tonymilne> lol, yeah :S there is a company about to be sub-contracted to do a "security audit" for a node + iOS app that i have worked on which is running on Ubuntu based hosting,

02:04 <tonymilne> but i think they will be incredibly under-qualified to do the task justice (since i doubt they know node)

02:04 <jesusabdullah> well, I mean

02:04 <tonymilne> and think that the most important part of the audit is focusing on the iOS app.

02:04 <tonymilne> where as i would assume that checking our express based file uploads, permissions, etc, would be more important.

02:05 <tonymilne> just seeking opinions in this ara.

02:05 <tonymilne> *area.

02:05 <tonymilne> (we also use mongodb, redis, have ssl, use a node proxy server too)

02:06 <tonymilne> yet they are focusing on the iOS app and will "briefly" look at the other stuff.

02:09 <jesusabdullah> probably gonna consist mostly of trying to find cracks where someone can learn more about your box than you intended and/or throw in some kind of injection attack

02:09 <tonymilne> jesusabdullah yeah, but back me up here if you have an opinion, but surely the server is the thing to focus on, not the iOS app!?!

02:10 <tonymilne> the app is just a view to the JSON based server API.

02:12 <airandfingers> is there a good module out there for serving up static files in such a way that users can navigate the static directory tree? i believe apache defaults to this, when displaying a directory with no index.html files

02:13 <jesusabdullah> tonymilne: I mean, I suppose it's possible for an iOS app to have vulnerabilities, but my instinct is that the server would be the thing to focus on yes

02:13 <jesusabdullah> keep in mind I know next to nothing about iOS apps

02:13 <jesusabdullah> airandfingers: My static module does that

02:13 <jesusabdullah> airandfingers: https://github.com/jesusabdullah/node-ecstatic

02:14 <jesusabdullah> it's still a work in progress but we're getting there!

02:15 <airandfingers> thanks jesusabdullah! i'll check this out shortly

02:15 <jesusabdullah> cool!

02:16 <jesusabdullah> I've been working on a new version for a while too, hopefully coderarity's work will lead to a release soon (I'm optimistic)

02:18 <airandfingers> jesusabdullah: hm, it looks like coderarity forked node-ecstatic? i'm pretty new to the github scene - what does that mean, exactly? is he working on an independent branch of the same project?

02:20 <jesusabdullah> ah

02:20 <jesusabdullah> It's an independent branch, but in the future he's gonna send me a pull request and his work will get pulled into my branch

02:20 <jesusabdullah> the nice thing with git is you can branch and merge willy-nilly

02:22 <jesusabdullah> Mine's the one on npm though

02:28 <hermanjunge> jesusabdullah

02:28 <hermanjunge> Hi!

02:28 <hermanjunge> I think that I have a very good question

02:28 <jesusabdullah> oh?

02:29 <jesusabdullah> lay it on me hombre

02:29 <hermanjunge> What is the way to make a forEach or a do/while with process.nextTick()

02:29 <hermanjunge> this is the whole case

02:29 <hermanjunge> I'm doing some db requests here and there

02:29 <hermanjunge> they take time

02:29 <hermanjunge> and I want a do/while running, watching a counter

02:30 <hermanjunge> var counter = 10

02:30 <jesusabdullah> look into caolan/async

02:30 <hermanjunge> if that counter reaches 0, bazzinga

02:30 <jesusabdullah> I'd use async.forEach

02:30 <hermanjunge> the problem is the foreach

02:30 <hermanjunge> sorry, the do/while

02:30 <hermanjunge> it can block the whole thing

02:30 <jesusabdullah> right

02:30 <hermanjunge> and nodejs isn's tail recursice

02:30 <hermanjunge> to make and erlang like

02:31 <hermanjunge> myFunction() { do_something; wait; myFunction() }

02:31 <jesusabdullah> https://github.com/caolan/async#forEach This guy, fo'srs

02:31 <hermanjunge> OK

02:31 <hermanjunge> thanks for the tip, as always

02:31 <jesusabdullah> hah! anytime

02:31 <hermanjunge> I'm working hard to be someday like the guys at nodejitsu

02:31 <hermanjunge> maybe next year I can bring you the towels HAHAHAH

02:41 <jesusabdullah> pffsht

02:53 <hkjels> Kind of mad at npm at the moment: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/2207

03:03 <Chel> hi guys, im a novice in nodejs, and want to understand what im doing wrong, and how to do it in the right way. I want to pull 2 models from mongodb collections, and use them in the same scope, but mongodb-native-driver only accept callbacks. please help . this is the code snippet and question is in comment https://gist.github.com/d7706eb81afb521b6516

03:20 <ljharb> Chel: use promises

03:22 <SubStack> https://github.com/substack/request-browserify-example/blob/master/entry.js

03:22 <SubStack> check THAT out

03:22 <SubStack> you can browserify request now

03:23 <icebox> benvie: ping

03:27 <diverdude> I have an application where im using socket.io/nodejs to keep a live connection with the client for chat while the actual webapplication is based on a normal apache/php single request connection. When the user is browsing around on my portal he loads a new page relatively often, when i do a io.connect("") everytime he loads a new page. Does that mean that the socket.io connection is also disconnected each time the user loads a new php pag

03:27 <diverdude> e or is socket.io intelligent enough to resume the socket.io connection on connection?

03:30 <stagas> diverdude: sounds like you need sessions

03:31 <diverdude> stagas: socket.io sessions?

03:33 <diverdude> stagas: ?

03:33 <stagas> diverdude: dunno usually it's on the http layer, I think socket.io proxies the upgrade request

03:33 <[AD]Turbo> hi there

03:36 <abraxas> does libuv provide an alternative to libevent-like create_event? or do i really have to start talking to libev?

03:37 <abraxas> event_new i mean

03:40 <stagas> SubStack: when will this madness end?? :P

03:41 <stagas> we need a node.min.js and then require everything like norm

03:46 <SubStack> stagas: I already wrote all the pieces previously, just had to refine them slightly

03:46 <diverdude> anybody?

03:53 <wereHamster> diverdude: you will not get around calling io.connect every time the user loads a new page.

03:54 <diverdude> wereHamster: how do i then keep the connection?

03:54 <wereHamster> well, you can but then you'd have to make a 'single-page' application and update its content with JS instead of using plain http requests

03:54 <wereHamster> you can't

03:58 <diverdude> wereHamster: hmm right...so what i would do was to kinda keep a session with a userID so whenever a connection is established that connection should send a userid and i check if that user was logged on previously

03:58 <diverdude> and then i transfer that sessiondata

03:59 <diverdude> wereHamster: does that sound like an idea?

04:02 <diverdude> wereHamster: so basically "transfer" the socket.io connection on every php-page reload

04:11 <CIA-102> node: 03tedsuo 07v0.6 * rcd4cb8e 10/ doc/api/_toc.markdown :

04:11 <CIA-102> node: docs: split TOC into two parts: overview and API

04:11 <CIA-102> node: Fixes #2090.

04:11 <CIA-102> node: Fixes #2336. - http://git.io/uuP7gw

04:13 <diverdude> wereHamster: ??

04:18 <diverdude> anybody here?

04:22 <erujolc> im using request module along with a rss parser (feedme), basically the line is "request(fetchUrl).pipe(parser)", when the fetchUrl is down it crashed the node process with ECONNREFUSED, stratching my head about how to handle this error gracefully, any pointers?

04:24 <arvidkahl> from a quick google search

04:24 <arvidkahl> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8843892/what-node-rss-module-handles-authentication

04:24 <arvidkahl> seems to have an example of how to catch that potential error

04:26 <arvidkahl> and the api at https://github.com/fent/feedme.js/blob/master/README.md kinda shows how to use the thing with .on events with createReadStream

04:26 <arvidkahl> scratch API, i meant readme

04:30 <erujolc> thanks, investigating

04:30 <erujolc> arvidkahl, makes sense however was hoping to standardized on the request module for any http calls

04:30 <erujolc> it looks like i need to catch an error event on underlying response stream

04:31 <arvidkahl> yeah that would indeed be great if only people would stick to conventions :D

04:32 <arvidkahl> anything with a callback should throw you the error in the function(err, data) anyway

05:03 <freewil> whats the best mail lib for node?

05:06 <erikzaadi> exit

05:09 <icebox> diverdude: http://www.danielbaulig.de/socket-ioexpress/

05:10 <Doikor> freewil: mailer seems to work just fine. https://github.com/Marak/node_mailer

05:11 <freewil> lol flying toasters

05:11 <freewil> Doikor, thanks

05:11 <freewil> i think i might use nodemailer though

05:12 <freewil> seems more complex, but seems more flexible

05:12 <rendar> freewil: you have to send emails?

05:12 <Doikor> mailer is built ontop of nodemailer

05:13 <freewil> yeah just writing a quick node daemon to send out a mailqueue stored in pg

05:13 <rendar> so node_mailer is ok :-)

05:14 <hipsterslapfight> one of them doesn't work anymore iirc

05:14 <hipsterslapfight> was testing them out a few weeks ago and was having real issues with one of them

05:15 <freewil> node_mailer hasnt been updated in 5 months so im guessing its that one

05:16 <hipsterslapfight> doesn't matter anyway, the syntax is 99% the same between them both

05:39 <remysharp> Is there a known workaround for shebang node for fedora, since they have the nodejs binary? i.e. I'm doing: #!/usr/bin/env node but in fedora it needs to be looking for nodejs

05:45 <abraxas> if i want to hook (C code) my socket into libuv, is there any way i can have it do the select() behavior for me? or am i going to have to call select() myself each tick?

06:14 <benvie> goddamn node-gyp is awesome

06:17 <chjj> benvie: yeah, i like it

06:18 <icebox> benvie: hi

06:19 <benvie> hello!

06:19 <icebox> benvie: thanks for https://github.com/tmpvar/jsdom/issues/360#issuecomment-3933198

06:19 <benvie> no problem =D node-gyp made it super easy!

06:19 <benvie> <3 node-gyp

06:19 <purr> Let it be known that benvie hearts node-gyp.

06:20 <benvie> last time it was a pain cause there was no documentation and I had to manually make the projects and figure out all the stuff

06:20 <benvie> this time it was like wham bam

06:21 <benvie> my only other experience with node-gyp was with tty.js which I knew wasn't going to work but I wanted to see what would happen

06:21 <benvie> unsurprisingly trying to compile a forkPty module on windows was less than successful

06:23 <benvie> chjj you should somehow digest all of this file and make it work in pty.js https://gist.github.com/1893415

06:24 <chjj> benvie: what am i looking at here? a windows terminal?

06:24 <benvie> you're looking at the only method I've ever heard of for forking a process (specifically terminal/cmd) that exists

06:24 <chjj> ooo its ReactOS code haha

06:24 <benvie> using a large amount of internal windows apis

06:25 <benvie> it's most/all of the building blocks for forkPty on windows

06:25 <chjj> the problem is, even if that did work, tty.js is a vt100/xterm emulator

06:25 <chjj> i dont think the windows console is a real terminal emulator

06:25 <benvie> it basically reconstructs the entire thing piece by piece in order to fork it

06:25 <benvie> the environment, the memory, etc.

06:25 <benvie> so it is in fact a complete duplicate

06:26 <chjj> so i would have to write a windows "terminal emulator" or whatever windows does to make a black window with white characters in it

06:26 <benvie> yeah

06:26 <benvie> well really

06:26 <benvie> what needs to happen is a version of putty stripped down and compiled as a node module

06:26 <chjj> or somehow translate a windows "terminal" to a vt100

06:27 <benvie> which is doable and on my list

06:27 <benvie> or mintty

06:27 <chjj> libuv does some goofy stuff to convert csi sequences to windows-language

06:27 <benvie> whatever can be done to rip out basically the minimal communications components to get it talking to libuv, and rendering

06:27 <benvie> no

06:27 <chjj> but i think thats the opposite way i would want to go

06:27 <benvie> well yeah but

06:27 <benvie> to do it on windows you need to completely ignore the windows console bullshit

06:28 <benvie> you can't even use the windows console api to render

06:28 <benvie> talking to the windows api will be purely limited to making it maximally compatible/accessible from other programs but not for rendering or anything at all really aside from that

06:28 <chjj> the problem is, windows programs would be using the windows console api

06:29 <benvie> my understanding is that there's a better result that can be achieved than has been so far

06:29 <benvie> in terms of essentially hooking into the stdin/out streams of a defacto "console"

06:29 <benvie> while not using that window as the ultimate interface

06:29 <benvie> simply as a dummy to get other stuff treating you like a terminal

06:30 <chjj> the only reason tty.js works is because terminals originally talked over a serial port, i just use a websocket instead. if windows uses some weird internal api, i dont know if theres a way it could work.

06:30 <benvie> console2 is supposedly the one example of a program that takes this tact but it seems to do it pretty terribly

06:30 <benvie> it's possible to do that in windows..if you have a serial port

06:30 <benvie> which I won't

06:30 <benvie> I tried lol

06:30 <benvie> you can create a character device on a serial port in windows but you can't really fake the serial port part

06:31 <chjj> maybe i could get something working without any kind of complex behavior, it would just be a dumb terminal

06:31 <benvie> well I have a bit more grandiose goals maybe

06:31 <benvie> but i want a full real terminal on windows

06:31 <chjj> that would be cool

06:32 <benvie> I want essentially mintty or putty but not died to the mingw shit or anything beides nodes. Node can handle all the io, it just needs a renderer

06:32 <chjj> i just dont know how it could work, unless you could convince windows programs to spit out control sequences instead of using the windows console api

06:32 <benvie> node already does

06:32 <chjj> node goes the other way, it converts control sequences to windows console api

06:33 <benvie> I mean I can connect directly opening the file if I hack node a bunch to make it treat mintty like a tty instead of a pipe

06:33 <benvie> I can get colors and all that shit

06:33 <benvie> if it's just willing to output the escape sequences

06:33 <chjj> i should look at the mintty code

06:33 <chjj> maybe theres a clue there

06:33 <benvie> the point is that these programs have full ansi parsers built in

06:33 <benvie> putty and all its descendents handle it all

06:33 <benvie> they don't let the OS do it

06:33 <benvie> like you're doing on the browser

06:33 <* chjj> looks at the mintty code.

06:34 <benvie> that's how I get xterm-256 and near full unix compatability using cygwin

06:34 <benvie> the trick is to divorce it from all that cruft and just get the minimal bits out that node can't do

06:35 <chjj> so that is what you mean, you dont want a real windows console, you want a mintty type thing?

06:35 <benvie> I want a console that can be treated like one to everything else in windows but has its own renderer

06:35 <benvie> which isn't a solved problem quite, but it's close

06:35 <benvie> all the stuff that does it relies on mingw still

06:35 <icebox> benvie: I have been trying that contextify ...no require('bindings')?

06:35 <jol> could i get some guidance on wether on not Node.js is suitable for my project?

06:36 <chjj> well, im looking at the mintty code right now. ill try to see if i can figure it out.

06:36 <benvie> I just compiled the binary. I would assume you have to follow the conventions of the binding's module

06:36 <icebox> benvie: I get Error: Cannot find module 'bindings'

06:36 <benvie> which would be like

06:36 <benvie> yeah that's another module

06:36 <benvie> npm install bindings

06:36 <icebox> benvie: ah ok

06:36 <benvie> it handles the cross-platform lookups for compiled binaries

06:36 <benvie> contextify uses it now looks like

06:37 <benvie> you'll need it in some specific direcotry too

06:37 <benvie> I think maybe contextify/out/Release or something

06:37 <benvie> the .node

06:38 <icebox> benvie: the old folder was build/Release

06:38 <benvie> chjj I know some chunks of it will be implemented using various mingw platform stuff

06:38 <benvie> but I think most of that is just for hooking up the networking stuff

06:38 <benvie> which I'd defer largely to node if I was trying to relpicate it, if that's not obvious =D

06:39 <benvie> any of the windows API stuff is largely implemented in windows-terms with the mingw stuff

06:39 <jol> i have an application that calls 40 rows new rows from a db every 5 seconds or so with an ajax call to a php script, have only read a little about Node.js and was wondering would it be better for this?

06:40 <icebox> benvie: after installing bindings and putting the binary in build/Release it work nice... thanks

06:40 <benvie> awesome, good to know it worked there =D

06:40 <benvie> I just included the .node directly so I didn't get to make sure it worked like normal

06:40 <chjj> benvie: is mintty only meant to compile under cygwin? all of the code is rather unix-y

06:41 <chjj> looking at putty now

06:41 <benvie> yeah originally it was derived from putty and has mostly run under cyginw. Over the last year it's become runnable under mingw but that's still going to be unixy

06:41 <benvie> just less so

06:41 <benvie> but I think putty is the even more compatible one these days

06:42 <benvie> with normal windows stuff

06:42 <benvie> I need to look at the code in depth to see what it might take to do something with it as a node module

06:42 <benvie> the problem is that all these existing programs have this massive amount of old shoddy networking code that really is unnecessary

06:43 <benvie> but burried in there is a bunch of gems for making shit work well on windows

06:44 <jol> i have an application that calls 40 rows new rows from a db every 5 seconds or so with an ajax call to a php script, have only read a little about Node.js and was wondering would it be better for this?

06:46 <benvie> node won't make that kind minmal usage faster but it'd probably provide more convenient db bindings for translating between db and front-end

06:49 <benvie> putty has a massive amount of comments

06:53 <benvie> I made a form in windows on node's main thead and use setTimeout to run the message loop

06:53 <benvie> it works =X

06:55 <benvie> using ffi with a js function as the wndProc

07:32 <pity> hello, is there any way how to messure the among of data of request, which comes to nodejs http server?

07:38 <garrettwilkin> Good Morning to anyone in or around EST

07:38 <garrettwilkin> I'm having a little trouble getting started with hook.io

07:38 <garrettwilkin> has anyone been able to get it going on node 0.7.x yet?

07:40 <agnat> hey, garrettwilkin!

07:40 <garrettwilkin> Hello!

07:41 <garrettwilkin> I saw your response to the issue

07:41 <garrettwilkin> https://github.com/agnat/node_mdns/issues/22#issuecomment-4192687

07:41 <garrettwilkin> so apparently its something in my environment

07:41 <agnat> yep, works for me ...

07:42 <garrettwilkin> okie doke

07:42 <garrettwilkin> so can i ask

07:42 <agnat> at least the mdns part ... not testing hook.io though ...

07:42 <garrettwilkin> any idea on where i can find the missing files that its looking for?

07:43 <garrettwilkin> Is it really that this function is missing? DNSServiceGetAddrInfo

07:43 <hatmam> i have an application that gets 40 new rows from a sqlite db every 5 seconds or so, have only read a little about Node.js and was wondering if it would be better suited than just using an ajax call to a php script?

07:44 <agnat> normally ares.h is part of the node dist ... but that depends on how it is compiled (which libraries are shared &c.)

07:44 <Dmitriju1> hatmam: if you are wondering about that, you shouldn't use node.js :)

07:45 <agnat> garrettwilkin: Well, yes. It's missing on systems using avahi ... but that's ok. mdns works around it ... that's why it is checking it ...

07:45 <garrettwilkin> ah okay

07:45 <Dmitriju1> hatmam: buisiness-wise, although, you could still checkout node.js for other things, because it is awesome

07:45 <garrettwilkin> so its expected that ares would be missing in some cases

07:45 <garrettwilkin> In file included from /usr/local/include/node/node.h:61,

07:45 <garrettwilkin> from ../src/dns_service_enumerate_domains.cpp:4:

07:46 <garrettwilkin> I can recompile node

07:46 <garrettwilkin> if I need to

07:47 <garrettwilkin> not worried about doing that

07:47 <garrettwilkin> do you think that could help?

07:47 <agnat> garrettwilkin: no, no! ares.h has to be there ... somewhere ... it's required by uv.h which is core node ...

07:47 <hatmam> dmitriju1: lol, i've actually read abit and it seems like a better option, would just like an experts opinion

07:47 <maritz> garrettwilkin: just a heads up, it's morning everywhere right now. no need to restrict your greetings to EST.

07:47 <agnat> garrettwilkin: not sure. I'd like to see verbose compiler output first ...

07:50 <garrettwilkin> oh okay

07:50 <garrettwilkin> so the fact that npm install is saying that it can't find it

07:50 <garrettwilkin> is a really really bad thing

07:53 <agnat> well, it's not like end of the world ... but something is messed up. Pretty sure we can sort it out though ...

07:53 <garrettwilkin> so how do i get the verbose compiler output?

07:53 <garrettwilkin> i just pulled node again

07:53 <garrettwilkin> so I'm going to run the install

07:54 <garrettwilkin> and see if that fixes it

07:54 <garrettwilkin> can i just do, ./configure, make, make install? Or do i need to pass -verbose in there?

07:54 <agnat> garrettwilkin: well, you could do that ... I was referring to mdns build output, like described in my comment ...

07:54 <garrettwilkin> oh okay

07:55 <garrettwilkin> gotcha

07:55 <garrettwilkin> ill do that

07:57 <maritz> imjp from r/node here? :D

07:57 <hatmam> i have this guy: http://mashface.net/llui/ , it fetches the pictures url from a db with an ajax call to a php script, and i plan on having new urls called every couple of seconds, would Node.js be more suitable for this than php and ajax calls?

07:59 <maritz> hatmam: juts simple rest calls basically? there's no real advantage in using node.js for just that. now, if you want to push the changes from the db via websockets to the browser (aka. live updates), node.js would be the better choice.

08:00 <hatmam> maritz: yeah it works alright but just wondering if using Node.js now might come in handy down the line

08:02 <garrettwilkin> are there reasons to stick with php and ajax?

08:02 <garrettwilkin> when node is an option?

08:02 <hatmam> only that i am familiar with them but thats not a real reason

08:02 <garrettwilkin> other than the obvious benefit of sticking to what you know

08:02 <hatmam> yeah exactly lol

08:02 <garrettwilkin> ha

08:03 <hatmam> thats why i'm asking, is Node.js going to do a better job than php?

08:03 <hatmam> before i go and do it and see it won't work at all

08:06 <garrettwilkin> agnat https://gist.github.com/1923632

08:06 <* agnat> looks

08:08 <maritz> hatmam: for the really simple usecase of doing an ajax request that returns 5 rows from a db, it really doesn'

08:08 <maritz> doesn't matter what you choose

08:08 <maritz> you could write that in lolcode if you wanted :x

08:09 <hatmam> : /

08:09 <maritz> or brainfuck, if that's more up your alley

08:10 <agnat> garrettwilkin: yep, looks like it is broken on the node side ... what does 'ls /usr/local/include/node/ares.h' give you?

08:11 <garrettwilkin> ls /usr/local/include/node/ares.h

08:11 <garrettwilkin> ls: cannot access /usr/local/include/node/ares.h: No such file or directory

08:11 <agnat> k

08:11 <hatmam> maritz: yeah i know, have read some more about Node.js in the last 10 minutes as it was just a buzz word to me 10 minutes ago a couple of friends kept saying

08:12 <agnat> garrettwilkin: If you don't need 0.7.x downgrade to 0.6.11 ... if it has to be 0.7.x upgrade to 0.7.5 (or head)

08:13 <garrettwilkin> okay

08:13 <maritz> hatmam: good. now, if you don't mind learning new languages and environments and don't need this to be done in 5 minutes and have it run in a huge production environment, you can go with node.js. :)

08:14 <garrettwilkin> making latest node now...

08:15 <hatmam> maritz: lol, thanks for the help

08:16 <garrettwilkin> hatman

08:16 <garrettwilkin> have you checked out hook.io?

08:16 <garrettwilkin> i think its kinda mindblowing

08:16 <augustl> why isn't the node core vm module doing what the 3rd party contextify module does?

08:19 <hatmam> garrettwilkin: looks useful, reading about it now

08:19 <neebz> Hello. I am creating an iPhone app with an expressjs backend. How can I manage session? I'll prefer some token-based approach. Is there any library for that?

08:20 <RLa> anyone tried this IDE: https://www.ebayopensource.org/index.php/VJET/HomePage ?

08:21 <RLa> it's eclipse plugin

08:21 <RLa> and comes with its own fancy type annotations

08:23 <yawNO> \o/

08:24 <maritz> yawNO is here /o\

08:25 <yawNO> maritz: shut up and have some bamboo

08:25 <maritz> ok. :(

08:25 <yawNO> thought i should nane my next project Panda

08:25 <* maritz> munches on the bamboo that was unlovingly thrown in his cage.

08:25 <yawNO> and the stuff substaining it Bamboo

08:25 <garrettwilkin> woo hoo

08:26 <yawNO> i dont know what my next project will be though

08:26 <agnat> garrettwilkin: ;-)

08:26 <garrettwilkin> mdns builds on node 0.7.6-pre!

08:26 <yawNO> me needs node 0.8

08:26 <garrettwilkin> so now…

08:26 <yawNO> i dont really like the idea of using 0.7.x

08:26 <yawNO> uhm

08:27 <agnat> mdns ALL the node versions ;-)

08:27 <garrettwilkin> how do i make hook.io use this version of mdns that i just compiled/

08:27 <garrettwilkin> or…

08:27 <garrettwilkin> maybe it doesn't matter, cause the version in the hook.io module directory

08:27 <garrettwilkin> should compile as well

08:27 <garrettwilkin> since i updated my node version

08:27 <agnat> you shouldn't have to ... just do 'npm install hook.io'

08:28 <agnat> precisely

08:28 <yawNO> maritz: i cant believe a fw that lets you code once and exposes both api and html does not yet exist

08:28 <yawNO> :(

08:28 <yawNO> are you aware of any?

08:28 <garrettwilkin> sweet!

08:28 <garrettwilkin> i can't npm install hook.io

08:29 <garrettwilkin> as of last night, it didn't like npm 1.1

08:29 <garrettwilkin> had a strict dependency on npm 1.0.x

08:29 <garrettwilkin> but i did a manual npm link

08:29 <garrettwilkin> seems to have worked!

08:29 <garrettwilkin> thanks agnate!

08:29 <garrettwilkin> err

08:29 <garrettwilkin> agnat!

08:29 <agnat> np. you're welcome.

08:30 <neebz> I am creating an iPhone app with an expressjs backend. How can I manage session? I'll prefer some token-based approach. Is there any library for that?

08:31 <garrettwilkin> how do you only have 21 followers

08:31 <garrettwilkin> if you created node mdns? I thought awesome node programming == lots of followers

08:34 <agnat> garrettwilkin: don't know. Maybe because i just started to tweet a bit more ... and most of it is german which doesn't help either ;-)

08:34 <garrettwilkin> In that case

08:34 <garrettwilkin> danke

08:36 <Topcat> Can you do things based on time with node? like a timetable

08:37 <garrettwilkin> there's probably a timer module with events that you can register for

08:38 <Topcat> can you trust a js timer to be accurate/

08:39 <garrettwilkin> i don't know, why not?

08:39 <garrettwilkin> how accurate do you need it to be?

08:41 <Topcat> I made a timetable in the browser ages ago and by the end of the day it could be hours off the real time. can you trust js to keep with system time ?

08:41 <tmike> as long as you verify on the back-end that it's sane

08:42 <Virendra> node.js started with process as in input.. I want to use the node js libs in on of the project.. but how can i start the node js.. what should i pass as process here?

08:42 <garrettwilkin> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8263652/node-js-accurate-timer

08:42 <sriley> if youre using getInterval/setTimeout and only use the date once at start then yea that wont be accurate

08:42 <garrettwilkin> why not have the time running server side

08:42 <garrettwilkin> and just notify the client?

08:43 <garrettwilkin> shouldn't that be more accurate?

08:43 <Topcat> yeah that makes more sense, but how can have node emit and event as say 11am ?

08:44 <Virendra> node.js has this... (function(process) {......}

08:44 <Virendra> what can i pass in process to use this as a lib ?/

08:45 <tmike> huh?

08:45 <garrettwilkin> i don't know off the top of my head

08:45 <garrettwilkin> but apparently theres a microtime module

08:45 <Virendra> i want to use node js lib for other node independend project.. but it's lib has process reference at so many palces

08:45 <garrettwilkin> have you searched github / nom?

08:45 <garrettwilkin> *npm?

08:46 <tmike> Virendra: try browserify?

08:47 <tmike> https://github.com/substack/node-browserify

08:47 <Virendra> thanks tmike.. but I wanted to use this in titanium appcelerator..

08:48 <Virendra> do u think this will help there?

08:48 <tmike> fire it up and see. You're writing in JS, right?

08:48 <Virendra> yes

08:48 <Virendra> i m writing in js..

08:49 <tmike> what does appcelerator target? browsers?

08:49 <Virendra> this is mobile application development platform.. this will be some views.. not browser..

08:49 <tmike> give it a shot

08:50 <tmike> write something simple and stupid. if it runs, you're probably good

08:50 <Virendra> ok..thanks for the inputs..

08:50 <Virendra> ok..

08:50 <Virendra> any other suggestion?

08:50 <tmike> nope. I really have no idea what I'm talking about. I'm making it up as I go along.

08:51 <Virendra> ok..

08:51 <Virendra> anyways thanks

08:52 <tmike> sure. hope it helps

08:53 <maritz> yawNO: i don't understand your question? fw? firewall?

08:53 <yawNO> framework

08:53 <yawNO> you just code stuff once and you get APIs and regular html interface

08:54 <yawNO> without having to code two services

08:57 <yawNO> woops did i miss something?

08:57 <yawNO> bad internet :<

09:03 <maritz> i still don't get it

09:04 <maritz> why do you have two services?

09:04 <maritz> and who was phone?

09:04 <yawNO> if i wanted to code a website

09:04 <yawNO> and to have that website to provide APIs

09:04 <yawNO> i'd use either a backend with a static frontend

09:05 <yawNO> or either a website with apis running as another service

09:05 <yawNO> got it?

09:07 <maritz> uhm

09:07 <yawNO> but what if i wanted to code a platform that responds to json with json and to browser calls with html

09:07 <yawNO> dealing different auths for every Accept headers for instance

09:07 <maritz> oh, ok

09:07 <yawNO> there's no such framework afaik

09:08 <maritz> you don't really need much of a framework for that. just a good mvc structure. then have different views for .json and .html and let the router tell the controller which view to chose

09:09 <yawNO> of course, and you could do the same with the auth system

09:10 <yawNO> but having a structure at the bottom would semplify a lot

09:10 <yawNO> that's what frameworks are for

09:13 <maritz> i'm still not sure what the problem is. essentially you'd create a layer on top of res.render() that looks at the request (or something provided by the router) to decide whether the data form the controller (or route handler) shoudl be passed to res.render('somefile.json') or res.render('somefile.jade'). that's like 5 lines of code?!

09:13 <yawNO> how about auth? you can't use oauth on the web

09:14 <yawNO> (tecnically you could but doesnt really make sense)

09:14 <yawNO> but yeah.. prolly you're right.. i'm overestimating it

09:25 <maritz> wait, auth shouldn't have anything to to with how you render your data?!

09:25 <maritz> completely different layer

09:25 <nuthinking> hi guys, is there anyone familiar with the chat.nodejs.org code base?

09:25 <maritz> ideally before the controller or at the start of it

09:26 <yawNO> maritz: yup

09:26 <nuthinking> after 5 calls no ajax call reaches the server anymore

09:26 <maritz> nuthinking: it's a rather simple piece of code if i remember correctly. just state your questions ;)

09:27 <nuthinking> maritz: yep, it's pretty simple, and I even tried to make it simpler but probably broke it on the way: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9465000/chat-nodejs-long-polling-and-broadcast

09:27 <maritz> nuthinking: http://chat.nodejs.org/ seems to work fine?!

09:27 <maritz> oh, oka

09:27 <maritz> y

09:27 <nuthinking> maritz: yep, but I wanted something simple, so I started to remove stuff! :D

09:27 <RLa> btw, i think most browsers can only make 8 connections to a server

09:27 <nuthinking> maritz: I quite like that it doesn't use socket.io (I guess)

09:28 <nuthinking> RLa: but isn't a connection killed when the ajax result is returned?

09:28 <maritz> nuthinking: there's a lot of kinks to websockets/longpolling afaik. using one of the abstraction layers seems like a good idea to me. doesn't need to be socket.io, there are others :)

09:28 <nuthinking> chat.nodejs seems to use simply ajax

09:29 <nuthinking> maritz: we'll, I tried nowjs and had issues there as well

09:29 <nuthinking> maritz: I wouldn't mind to keep the solution with less dependency as possible so that it might run on a cheap and shared hosting

09:29 <nuthinking> maritz: I think that ajax will be ideal for me, do you know any layer based on that?

09:30 <maritz> websockets cost less than ajax calls for something like a chat, afaik

09:30 <maritz> (resource wise)

09:31 <nuthinking> maritz: but it might require bigger control over the IP address, etc... no?

09:31 <maritz> uh, no?!

09:31 <maritz> :D

09:31 <nuthinking> well, I have a domain at the end of the day

09:32 <nuthinking> so also if it is a share hosting, I should still be able to open a port

09:32 <nuthinking> if only nowjs would work then! :)

09:34 <tmike> Can you use handlebars programmatically?

09:35 <tmike> or just precompile templates and serve the precompiled templates with <script> tags?

09:37 <tmike> probably best to precompile and serve the precompiled templates, dynamically precompilingand serving sounds like a huge mess

09:45 <nuthinking> did anyone manage to use nowjs on Snow Leopard?

10:29 <wingie> pwd

10:31 <jocafa> . /Users/wingie/code/omg/wtf/how

10:42 <maritz> why is catb0t still gone?

10:43 <maritz> i want mah catb0t back!

10:55 <Vainoharhainen> hi! I'm trying node.js out and trying to read a file with "fs" lib.

10:55 <Vainoharhainen> but this function returns undefined http://pastebin.com/gBV0nRbf

10:55 <Vainoharhainen> Its seems like it not wait for a return from readFile

10:56 <DavidIAm> its async, isn't it?

10:57 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: where did that file descriptor come from?

10:57 <Vainoharhainen> chjj: what do you mean? i read here http://onteria.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/different-ways-to-read-in-files-using-node-js/

10:58 <Vainoharhainen> I want my function "lasFil" to return the content of a file.

10:58 <Vainoharhainen> but its not waiting for return =/

10:58 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: youre using a variable called `fd`

10:58 <tuhoojabotti> Vainoharhainen: Höhö.

10:58 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: but i dont see you open a file anywhere to get an fd

10:59 <tuhoojabotti> Vainoharhainen: Mainos: #javascript.fi IRCNetissä.

10:59 <Vainoharhainen> chjj: wups then i missed something when i copied from he's site. Dident get it to work by my self. brb will check it out.

10:59 <Vainoharhainen> tuhoojabotti: minä ei ossa suomi *haha*

10:59 <tuhoojabotti> hö

10:59 <Vainoharhainen> tuhoojabotti: im just half finnish =) 50% swe 50% fin =)

10:59 <tuhoojabotti> det är inte bra, ja

10:59 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: if you just want to read an entire file, all you need is fs.readFile, fs.read is a much lower level interface. it just wraps read(2)

11:00 <tuhoojabotti> True.

11:00 <Vainoharhainen> chjj: i need to wrap it bc its to my bot :P

11:00 <Vainoharhainen> so i need to make a function of it.

11:01 <Vainoharhainen> chjj: if you check my function you see that i have return "error:"

11:01 <Vainoharhainen> in console.log i get

11:01 <Vainoharhainen> File could not be opened: Error: Unknown encoding

11:01 <Vainoharhainen> but its returns "undefined" :S

11:01 <Vainoharhainen> it sould return the error =/

11:01 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: you dont pass flags to readFile

11:02 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: try fs.readFile('filename', 'utf8', function(err, data) { ...

11:04 <Vainoharhainen> Okey buts that not the big problem atm.

11:04 <Vainoharhainen> I want it to return the error

11:04 <Vainoharhainen> but lasFil just returns undefined =/

11:04 <chjj> i dont understand what youre saying. you said you got an error already

11:05 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: you need to pass a callback to your function and then execute it

11:05 <Vainoharhainen> okey if i run "console.log(lasFil("test")); its return Undefined but it sould return "Unknown encoding"

11:05 <chjj> function lasFil(filename, callback) {

11:05 <chjj> and then execute `callback(err, data)

11:05 <Vainoharhainen> dont get it atm :P

11:05 <chjj> when you do things asynchronously you can just return values

11:06 <Vainoharhainen> okey

11:06 <chjj> cant*

11:06 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: you need to pass a callback to your function, just like you did with fs.readFile, but you need to execute it yourself

11:07 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: function lasFile(filename, callback) { fs.readFile('file', 'utf8', function(err, data) { callback(err, data); }); }

11:07 <chjj> like that

11:07 <Vainoharhainen> okey

11:07 <Vainoharhainen> is callback some global function in js/nodejs?

11:08 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: no, its just a parameter for that function

11:08 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: you will call your function like: lasFile('./file', function(err, data) { console.log(data); });

11:17 <Vainoharhainen> chjj: thanks !

11:17 <Vainoharhainen> 17:16 Vainoharhainen !loadModule test

11:17 <Vainoharhainen> 17:16 botfan error:null data:Hej hej

11:17 <Vainoharhainen> :) worked

11:19 <chjj> Vainoharhainen: cool

11:21 <nuthinking> is there a way I can debug this ajax issues I am having, that after 5 calls or so the server doesn't answer anymore to calls to the same client?

11:28 <stagas> nuthinking: the connections probably don't end so the client reaches its limit

11:29 <nuthinking> stagas: that's what I thought

11:29 <yawNO> \ò

11:30 <nuthinking> stagas: but don't you just end the connection with res.end()?

11:31 <nuthinking> stagas: I am using this: https://github.com/ry/node_chat/blob/master/fu.js

11:32 <stagas> nuthinking: last commit on 2010 maybe it's broken

11:33 <nuthinking> the demo app seems to work: chat.nodejs.org

11:41 <ricardooo> hi

11:41 <DavidIAm> greetings

11:42 <DavidIAm> greetings(function(answer){send.tochannel(answer)})

11:42 <DavidIAm> hyuck.

11:44 <RLa> hm, how most node db libs handle queries through single connection?

11:45 <RLa> i'm getting db-mysql constantly segfaulting when doing same query twice at the same time

11:45 <RLa> mysql docs seems to indicate than single connection only supports single query at a time

11:46 <RLa> and there seems to be no guard against violating this from node

11:46 <DavidIAm> interesting.

11:46 <DavidIAm> I guess there'll have to be some sort of wait-state for reply then.

11:47 <RLa> a simple queue would work

11:47 <DavidIAm> true.

11:47 <DavidIAm> with one worker per connection.

11:47 <RLa> i just wonder whether some db connection library handles this at all

11:48 <RLa> otherwise it will end very badly when you deploy and overlook this issue

11:48 <DavidIAm> I don't have any answer to that personally, just so you know I'm not ignoring the question.

11:51 <illourr> good mornin

11:51 <yawNO> it's 6 pm

11:51 <yawNO> >:(

11:51 <illourr> england?!

11:51 <illourr> or where hah

11:51 <yawNO> nop italy

11:51 <yawNO> hahaha

11:52 <illourr> cool

12:00 <dob_> Somebody online? I want to write a mysql -> mongo converter. And have to select a few million rows from a database. Which mysql module should i choose?

12:06 <schofld> hello everybody

12:08 <eldios> yawNO, still there?

12:09 <yawNO> eldios: yes

12:09 <eldios> query =)

12:10 <yawNO> ask here

12:13 <maritz> xD

12:15 <yawNO> hi mcav`

12:22 <airandfingers> jesusabdullah: i set up ecstatic and the directories are displaying well (when they're not empty), but when I click on a file, I get "Cannot GET /[path]/[file]". Should I be getting the download prompt for the file?

12:29 <jaha> anyone have any good resources for using zeromq and node.js

12:58 <RLa> dob_, this far i have found this one to be fastest: https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql

12:58 <RLa> and it does not segfault like the other one

12:59 <dob_> RLa: But there seems to be a limitation of the SELECT sizes. Is that correct?

12:59 <RLa> you mean limitation on returned rows?

12:59 <dob_> Todo: Packet's > 16 MB

12:59 <dob_> Yes

13:00 <RLa> that seems to be single packet

13:00 <dob_> Packet means a single row?

13:02 <RLa> no

13:02 <RLa> i actually have no idea

13:03 <RLa> i just selected 200k rows of strings (3-8 + 150 chars) from db

13:03 <RLa> works well

13:04 <dob_> RLa: I will try that! I will have to select about 5M rows :-)

13:04 <dob_> RLa: Thanks for your help!

13:04 <RLa> 200k took 3.5 secs here (mysql server is on old p4)

13:04 <RLa> btw, i'm getting mysql outperforming mongo in reads here too :)

13:05 <RLa> dob_, anyway, do you have blobs in rows?

13:05 <ningu> is there a good mysql orm? one that doesn't just work but does validation, joins, etc?

13:06 <ningu> I am a bit spoiled by the perl ORM I used to use, and I know AR on ruby has a lot of features too

13:07 <ningu> mongodb has been good so far, actually, but requires a bit of a different mindset

13:08 <yawNO> ningu: https://github.com/joyent/node/wiki/modules#wiki-db-mysql

13:08 <ningu> I know

13:08 <ningu> but that doesn't tell me really which ones are buggy ;)

13:08 <RLa> ningu, also see above what i wrote about segfaults

13:09 <RLa> you might not get segfaults if you use pool

13:09 <ningu> is there a normal way of cloud-hosting mysql?

13:09 <RLa> spin ec2 with mysql?

13:09 <ningu> I suppose

13:09 <ningu> I was thinking of something like mongohq

13:10 <RLa> i guess it will much more complex if you need mysql cluster or sharding

13:10 <yawNO> ningu: https://github.com/sdepold/sequelize

13:10 <ningu> hmm, I suppose for nodejitsu I could just use sqlite to start with, it would probably pull the .sqlite file along with it

13:10 <yawNO> this one has validations and migrations

13:10 <yawNO> never used it though

13:10 <ningu> yeah, I know

13:10 <dob_> Rla: No, only integer.

13:10 <ningu> but the join support was unclear to me from the docs, I"ll look again

13:10 <ningu> migration is less important to me

13:10 <RLa> dob_, then you should be fine

13:11 <dob_> RLa: YES!

13:11 <RLa> tho, i'm not finding where comes 16M limitation

13:11 <ningu> I don't really trust ORMs to properly migrate anyway

13:11 <dob_> RLa: Thank u!

13:11 <ningu> anyway, the answer seems to be that node ORMs are not as mature as other languages

13:11 <yawNO> ningu: mongolab has free 250 mb

13:11 <yawNO> *a free 250 mb db

13:11 <ningu> cool, will keep that in mind

13:12 <RLa> ningu, with js objects you do not have much need for orm

13:12 <ningu> well

13:12 <ningu> I generally agree

13:12 <ningu> but I'm worried about integrity, too

13:13 <RLa> last time i used orm in java where you have no easy syntax for objects

13:13 <ningu> I keep getting my mongodb data in states I didn't anticipate -- a field missing or something accidentally set as a collection rather than objectid

13:13 <ningu> partly due to the learning curve with mongoose

13:13 <RLa> you might want more type-heavy db

13:13 <RLa> something that existing sql bases can do

13:14 <ningu> well, I know I can get the bugs out once I properly learn all the corners of mongoose or mongodb in general

13:14 <ningu> but that doesn't solve the transaction issue

13:14 <hh__> is there a really good sql ORM yet?? that supports sqlite,pq,mysql

13:14 <ningu> hh__: for node? not that I'm aware of

13:14 <ningu> there are some that support two of the above

13:15 <freewil> ningu, what type of data are you working with

13:15 <freewil> its possible to do ad-hoc transactions if possible in mongo, really PITA though

13:15 <freewil> s/if possible/if needed

13:16 <ningu> freewil: well, for example, I am storing dictionary data from languages, and one thing I do is create a new lexicon, where the user fills out a form and enters its name, author, etc. and uploads a file in a format the app knows how to parse

13:16 <ningu> I need to create the lexicon document so I have an id that the entries can refer to

13:16 <ningu> but if the parsing goes wrong, then I'm stuck with a lexicon document with no entries

13:16 <ningu> but actually, come to think of it, I can get the id without saving it

13:17 <ningu> basically it's operations like that though

13:17 <ningu> create one new lexicon doc + 2000 new entry docs at once

13:18 <freewil> sheesh

13:18 <ningu> if it's just update one doc or something it's atomic anyway

13:18 <ningu> freewil: I thought about embedding the entries, but that's not convenient for other things I want to do

13:18 <freewil> yeah that seems like a lot of docs to embed

13:19 <ningu> because it's nice to be able to treat entries as first class objects

13:19 <ningu> sort by entries etc.

13:19 <ningu> you can do it in theory as embedded docs but it seems like a bad idea

13:19 <freewil> yeah are you aware of dbrefs in mongo?

13:19 <ningu> yes, that's what I use

13:19 <freewil> cool

13:19 <ningu> but mongo's populate implementation is rather wonky

13:19 <ningu> to use a technical term

13:19 <ningu> mongoose*

13:20 <smallfoot-> node.js is good for make high-performance asynchronuos daemon?

13:21 <freewil> ningu, not sure what you mean by the populate implementation

13:21 <ningu> freewil: have you used mongoose?

13:21 <jmar777> can anyone help me interpret the RFC on application/json content-type? http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4627.txt

13:22 <freewil> ningu, yes, it can be nice - also used mongolian's much simpler interface

13:22 <ningu> hmm

13:22 <ningu> I'll check that out

13:22 <ningu> jmar777: wait, so this is a RFC on an RFC?

13:22 <kuebk> js

13:22 <kuebk> hi

13:22 <kuebk> what's the best way

13:22 <jmar777> ningu: i think just an RFC on a media type :)

13:23 <freewil> smallfoot-, yes

13:23 <kuebk> to load plugin written in C

13:23 <kuebk> while it is compiled to different path in 0.4.x and 0.6.x

13:23 <jmar777> it's not obvious to me whether or not a valid application/json body MUST be an object or array at the top level, or if it's also ok for it to contain just JSON values

13:23 <kuebk> copying it in wscript at shutdown?

13:23 <kuebk> or maybe there is a better way?

13:23 <jmar777> e.g., is '\"hello world\"' a valid application/json body?

13:24 <smallfoot-> freewil, node.js is best for this, or i should use python, ruby, php or erlang?

13:24 <kuebk> jmar777 json is between {}

13:24 <smallfoot-> i can do WebSockets in node.js?

13:24 <jmar777> kuebk: right, but the RFC on application/json makes it sound like {} or [] at a minimum are acceptable

13:24 <hh__> i dont get why mongodb won't let you have objectids for embedded docs, thats the only thing that... makes embeedded weird to me

13:24 <mmalecki> smallfoot-: yes

13:24 <jmar777> kuebk: and it's not clear to me whether or not JSON values are also ok

13:25 <freewil> smallfoot-, yeah socket.io is a popular lib for node.js with websockets

13:25 <freewil> supports fallback to long-polling and regular ajax polling

13:25 <kuebk> JSON stands for JavaScript Object Notation

13:25 <DavidIAm> it doesn't actually prohibit values as valid json strings.

13:25 <smallfoot-> oh

13:25 <kuebk> and string

13:25 <kuebk> is not an object

13:25 <smallfoot-> if i want high-performance ascynchronus event-driven websocket, i should use node.js or C#?

13:26 <ningu> hh__: objectids are references, not embedded docs

13:26 <DavidIAm> an application/json body is 'a json value' which is string number object array true false or null

13:26 <freewil> smallfoot-, node.js - but im highly biased

13:26 <jmar777> kuebk: i understand that. i'm simply saying that from the RFC, it appears that application/json may not be exactly equivalent with JSON

13:26 <hh__> ningu: right, but for an embedded doc there's no way to give it an objectid for reference

13:26 <ningu> hh__: sure there is

13:26 <ningu> mongoose does it

13:26 <ningu> I'm not sure how

13:27 <strager> smallfoot-: Either will work, but Node.js will have less friction (assuming you're familiar with JS).

13:27 <jmar777> DavidIAm: thanks - can you point me towards some documentation on that?

13:27 <hh__> ningu: it doesn't do it, unless you find some way to do it yourself

13:28 <ningu> hh__: it meaning mongodb or mongoose?

13:28 <hh__> both, mongoose doesn't support it, because it's not part of mongodb's specs or whatever

13:28 <smallfoot-> node.js is suitable for high-performance real-time stuff? like game server?

13:28 <ningu> hh__: if you have a subschema in mongoose it will give it an _id by default

13:28 <ningu> unless you specify noId: true in teh subschema's definition

13:29 <strager> smallfoot-: Yes, though it's not suitable for computationally expensive things.

13:29 <smallfoot-> oh

13:29 <strager> smallfoot-: If you're passing a lot of data around, Node.js is good at that.

13:30 <ningu> is js actually faster at json than other languages?

13:30 <strager> ningu: Not necessarily.

13:30 <RLa> do a benchmark :)

13:31 <ningu> just wondering if someone already had. :)

13:31 <RLa> json is very simple format and could be implemented in assembly too

13:31 <RLa> unlike xml :P

13:31 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4627 http://www.json.org/

13:31 <RLa> tho some guy wrote xml parser in assembly too

13:32 <jmar777> DavidIAm: thanks - that's the rfc i'm looking at. i just can't find anywhere that states that any JSON value is acceptable as an application/json body

13:32 <jmar777> DavidIAm: he defines JSON-text as "object / array", but then he never refers to that term again

13:33 <DavidIAm> jmar - oversight.

13:33 <DavidIAm> jmar - just a value that is a true falls null or string is not very useful

13:33 <jmar777> DavidIAm: and in the examples at the bottom, it shows one with a full JSON object and one with a JSON array - so those are the hints that suggest objects/arrays are it

13:33 <strager> I personally send JSON strings as application/json.

13:34 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - you're trying to read implications from examples, they show merely the mentality of the author, not the definition.

13:34 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - my logic is thus:

13:34 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - all his examples show json values.

13:34 <strager> I don't think it really matters, because your client is probably not a JSON proxy or something, but something custom-tailored to your API.

13:34 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - string/true/false/null are json values.

13:34 <jmar777> DavidIAm: yes, i agree. but we're both reasoning from examples though :\

13:34 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - there is nothing here that indicates that only a subset of valid json values is valid as an application/json string. ANY json value, hence, IS.

13:36 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - were it intended to restrict application/json encoding to *only* a subset of value types, then it must state so.

13:36 <jmar777> DavidIAm: Well, he does refer to "JSON text" in several locations following his "JSON-text" definition. so if those are equivalent, then i would still interpret it as object/array

13:36 <jmar777> DavidIAm: i get what you're saying. i just don't see anywhere that says "JSON values" (restricted or otherwise) are acceptable application/json bodies

13:36 <DavidIAm> jmar - object and array are json values.

13:37 <DavidIAm> jmar - they are provided as 'examples of' json values, not 'the only exclusive json values accepted'. THey're a non-inclusive list.

13:37 <jmar777> DavidIAm: yes. but that in and of itself doesn't make them valid application/json bodies. i think what makes them valid is their inclusion in the definition of "JSON-text"... but i'm not sure on that point

13:38 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - ah, I hadn't seen that piece.

13:38 <jmar777> DavidIAm: i just wish that "JSON-text" appeared more than once lol

13:38 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - that enumeration could be considered to be inclusive.

13:38 <raenger> Having trouble using fs.rename from root disk / to attached storage /media/... -- an obvious answer?

13:38 <jmar777> DavidIAm: if "JSON-text" === "JSON text" for the purposes of the RFC, then it's useful i suppose

13:39 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - I think it can be considered so.

13:39 <felixge> rauchg: ping

13:39 <jmar777> DavidIAm: cool. so with that "established", would you consider application/json to be object/array only then?

13:40 <felixge> rauchg: will you be around later today (in 2-3 hours?). I got one more question about the patch I'd like to discuss. Basically it seems like the handshake is missing one parameter the clients needs to do the heartbeat properly

13:40 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - Per this RFC, Yes.

13:40 <rauchg> yep

13:40 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - I suspect that parsers wil handle json-value more generally though.

13:40 <jmar777> DavidIAm: right. express for example assumes anything that doesn't throw in JSON.parse() is acceptable

13:40 <felixge> rauchg: awesome, I'll ping you later then!

13:40 <jmar777> DavidIAm: which includes numbers, strings, booleans, etc.

13:41 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - Exactly. I'd have written the rfc that way.

13:41 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - who is to say you don't just want to send 'true'. people'll end up doing things like [true] - why make a list for only one element?

13:42 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - the point becomes moot when you use encapsulations like JSON-RPC, where every communication structure is by definition an object.

13:42 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - or the recurring { error: <errorstuff>, data: <nonerrorstuff> } type construct for intersystem communication to put errors out of band.

13:43 <jmar777> DavidIAm: right. although there are conceivably n-number of media types that could employ JSON in various ways. application/json just happens to be one of them

13:43 <iksik> hello

13:43 <iksik> any pcap support for windows?

13:43 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - quite so.

13:45 <jn> hey

13:45 <jn> im developing a cli tool using node. and it has a plugin system (different content handlers)

13:45 <jmar777> DavidIAm: alright, i'm gonna try and patch connect and hope tjholowaychuk sees it the same way :)

13:45 <jn> anyone have a idea of how to best load these plugins

13:45 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - nothing but some time to lose there.

13:46 <jn> preferably if you could use npm to just install mytool-theplugin and have the clitool recognize that the plugin is avalible and load it

13:46 <jmar777> DavidIAm: i think his current assumption is that it's always a full serialized object, because middleware down stream treats it like the req.body will always be an object

13:46 <jn> is this possible

13:46 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - so if you make it an array it'll puke?

13:47 <DavidIAm> jn - sounds kind of like a .d directory.

13:47 <DavidIAm> jn - mytool/plugins.d/ where you toss markers for available installs.

13:47 <jmar777> DavidIAm: i think an array would work. on a string value it'll puke though

13:48 <jmar777> DavidIAm: after the bodyParser middleware, req.body will be a string value. the methodOverride middleware than uses in `in` statement against req.body, and that pukes

13:48 <DavidIAm> jmar - sounds like a methodOverride issue for failing to check the content type?

13:49 <jmar777> DavidIAm: the methodOverride is supposed to work for any content type, so long as it has a top level "_method" value.

13:49 <jmar777> DavidIAm: so that test should fail for arrays or simple string values, but pass for any content type and body that can be parsed into a JavaScript object

13:49 <jn> DavidIAm: yeah. that would work. but can npm packages touch stuff outside it's own directory?

13:50 <jmar777> DavidIAm: so there should be two fixes i think. one is that parsing on application/json should be RFC compliant and throw for string bodies

13:50 <DavidIAm> jn - uhm... trying to remember waht I was reading about package.json

13:50 <jmar777> DavidIAm: and two would be the method override middleware should make sure req.body has actually been parsed to an object value

13:50 <DavidIAm> jn - I do know there's a 'bin' key that does things. I seem to remember there was something about arbitrary files.

13:51 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - I could have used type text/json

13:51 <jmar777> DavidIAm: it can do whatever it wants in that case - there's no RFC, so who's to say what's right?

13:51 <jn> DavidIAm: yeah maybe i can scan the .bin/ directory for mytool-*

13:51 <DavidIAm> jn - you can do it in a script

13:52 <DavidIAm> jn - scripts can do any arbitrary thing. though it seems like it might be tricky to figure out what the righ tthing to do is.

13:53 <DavidIAm> jn - what if you're not root? can't put it in /etc. What if somebody installed the core tool globally and the plugin locally?

13:53 <isaacs> jn: npm packages should not touch things outside their folder.

13:54 <DavidIAm> jmar777 - right. it'd be a good idea not to have the middleware puke out doing an in on a non-object/array.

13:54 <isaacs> jn: it's better to just declare what your package has, and let npm manage everything outside of it

13:54 <jn> DavidIAm: yeah, i'm starting to think i want all logic in the clitool and keep the plugins dumb

13:54 <DavidIAm> I've seen nodejs code that recursively loads libraries by scanning the filesystem.

13:55 <DavidIAm> I think that's kind of messy.

13:55 <jn> isaacs: ah, perhaps i can list all packages with the npm package and look for a specific flag

13:55 <isaacs> jn: if you're thinking that you need to modify files outside your package, then you should probably back up and rethink the problem.

13:55 <jn> yeah, i'd rather not have to do that

13:55 <DavidIAm> jn - You might could put a special key/value piece in the package.json and scan the node path for those, parse and look for it.

13:56 <isaacs> it's a safe bet in such a situation, you're trying to do something that is too clever, and not really necessary.

13:56 <isaacs> any hacks you come up with are by definition brittle and unsupported.

13:56 <isaacs> npm will break them in future versions, without notice or sympathy.

13:58 <jn> yeah, trying to find a way that's not hacky

13:58 <diminoten> mongoskin's findById... anyone ever see it work?

14:00 <qbit_> is there a way to make child_process.fork() exit without killing the parent?

14:01 <qbit_> also - hi :D

14:01 <dscape> why does ECONNREFUSED thorw?

14:03 <coderarity> airandfingers: yeah I'm gonna work on node-ecstatic now, should be done soon

14:05 <qbit_> nm .. looks like process.kill( process.pid ); does it

14:13 <diminoten> ugh this is extremely frustrating

14:13 <diminoten> mongoskin's findById does not work, or I'm misusing it

14:13 <tenshihan> hey guys

14:13 <tenshihan> i'm trying to compile my first addon forn ode

14:14 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: using node-gyp right ? :)

14:14 <tenshihan> node what?

14:14 <tenshihan> uh

14:15 <tenshihan> i'm on windows. if that makes it easier then hell ya

14:15 <TooTallNate> well then you should *absolutely* be using node-gyp

14:15 <TooTallNate> what addon are you trying to compile?

14:15 <TooTallNate> you mean one of your own? or someone elses?

14:15 <* bnoordhuis> can vouch for node-gyp

14:16 <tenshihan> ok read your read me. sounds awesome.

14:16 <tenshihan> i will use it

14:16 <TooTallNate> ping me if you need any help

14:16 <anon12345> anyone have recommendations for IoC containers? our immediate need is for the client side, but a lib that works on client/server would be best.

14:17 <mmalecki> anon12345: broadway :)

14:17 <dob_> Is there any memory limit in 64bit node?

14:17 <TooTallNate> bnoordhuis: did you try out buffertools on windows?

14:17 <mmalecki> anon12345: https://github.com/flatiron/broadway

14:17 <mmalecki> anon12345: http://flatiron.github.com/broadway/ <- client version

14:17 <anon12345> mmalecki: thanks. checking it out now.

14:18 <bnoordhuis> TooTallNate: no, but that's through no fault of node-gyp

14:18 <bnoordhuis> i kind of messed up my windows build

14:18 <jmar777> random q: what's the definition of "core contributor"? having one of your patches pulled, or having commit rights?

14:18 <TooTallNate> haha

14:18 <bnoordhuis> jmar777: the former

14:19 <bnoordhuis> commit rights would be core committer / core team member

14:19 <jmar777> bnoordhuis: cool, thanks

14:19 <yawNO> https://github.com/viatropos/tower

14:19 <yawNO> this is sad

14:19 <yawNO> it was promising

14:19 <yawNO> :(

14:20 <jesusabdullah> yawNO: Why sad?

14:20 <yawNO> forces you to use coffeescript for instance

14:20 <yawNO> and a couple of other reasons

14:20 <jesusabdullah> wat

14:20 <jesusabdullah> how do you force coffeescript?

14:20 <jesusabdullah> weaksauce

14:21 <DavidIAm> (its modeled on ruby, surely you expect it to force you into its paradigms...)

14:21 <anon12345> broadway looks interesting. what do you think about broadway v.s. wire.js? pros/cons?

14:21 <yawNO> jesusabdullah: it generates coffeescript

14:22 <yawNO> i'm not the one who will convert back from cs to js for sure

14:22 <mmalecki> anon12345: I haven't played with wire.js, actually

14:22 <DavidIAm> I can see the motivation to doing that. Writing javascript is much more complex than writing coffee.

14:23 <ben_alman> is "errno" a global?

14:23 <jesusabdullah> anon12345: I'm unfamiliar with wire.js

14:23 <ben_alman> I don't see where errno is defined here https://github.com/joyent/node/blob/1eb1fe32250fc88cb5b0a97cddf3e02be02e3f4a/lib/fs.js#L650

14:23 <mmalecki> ben_alman: yes

14:23 <ben_alman> ah, it's not in the list of globals

14:23 <mmalecki> ben_alman: and yeah, it *is* lame

14:23 <dilvie> hi ben =)

14:23 <mmalecki> bnoordhuis: I thought you renamed it?

14:24 <ben_alman> good times

14:24 <ben_alman> now i need to figure out why the hell fs.watch is erroring in windows xp :/

14:24 <jn> DavidIAm, isaacs: what do you think of this approach for a plugin system? https://gist.github.com/1926447

14:24 <bnoordhuis> mmalecki: question mark

14:24 <ben_alman> jn, i'm going to be doing something similar with grunt

14:24 <bnoordhuis> ben_alman: errno is a magic global (and something of a mistake)

14:24 <ben_alman> for loading all grunt- named npm libs

14:25 <diminoten> I'm so frustrated right now

14:25 <diminoten> why is mongo so hard to work with

14:25 <diminoten> ALL I want to do is get a doc by its id

14:25 <diminoten> seems like the easiest thing in the world, right?

14:25 <isaacs> jn, ben_alman: i think that's sort of a terrible idea.

14:26 <jerrysv> diminoten: what library are you using?

14:26 <isaacs> why not just load the thing you want, when you want it?

14:26 <diminoten> in sql it'd be 'select * from foo where _id='1234'

14:26 <diminoten> mongoskin

14:26 <Nuck> Wooooooow this ain't good. My localtunnel'd node server is getting Stripe and Twilio API calls.

14:26 <ben_alman> isaacs: it should auto-load, so the user doesn't need to think about it

14:26 <jerrysv> collection.findOne({_id: '1234'})

14:26 <isaacs> ben_alman: but the user DOES need to think about it!

14:26 <diminoten> I so wish it worked like that jsrrysv

14:26 <isaacs> ben_alman: they put it there.

14:26 <diminoten> I so fucking wish...

14:26 <ben_alman> isaacs: after they install the plugin, they never have to think again

14:26 <jerrysv> diminoten: works like that for me, what sort of issues are you having? obviously there's a callback, but ?

14:26 <isaacs> ben_alman: what you're describing isn't a good thing, though.

14:27 <diminoten> ObjectID, for starters

14:27 <ben_alman> isaacs: i don't disagree, but the alternative is a hell of a lot more work

14:27 <jn> isaacs: but having to specify eg --plugins plugin1,plugin2,plugin3 every time is such a hassle

14:27 <diminoten> so you'd have to do colleciton.findOne({_id:ObjectId('1234')})

14:27 <ben_alman> the infrastructure alone is out of my ability

14:27 <diminoten> (1234 in this case is a hex string but that's not important)

14:27 <DavidIAm> jn - hm. depends on npm. probably safe to do so. Fairly straightforward operation though. Would want to make sure you didn't puke if somebody else put something in your namespace you weren't expecting.

14:27 <isaacs> ben_alman: foo.loadPlugin(require("foo-bar")) what's wrong with that?

14:27 <diminoten> seems so incredibly simple, but it simply. doesn't. work.

14:27 <isaacs> ben_alman, jn: people do that with express plugins all the time.

14:28 <dob_> when executing a SELECT statement on my database i get this error: FATAL ERROR: CALL_AND_RETRY_2 Allocation failed - process out of memory

14:28 <isaacs> ben_alman, jn: this sounds like inventing new problems to solve.

14:28 <dob_> But I am sure my system has enough memory

14:28 <tenshihan> @tootallnate, after installing using npm, where is the executable ?

14:28 <dob_> I tried different settings of max-old-space-size

14:28 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: did you use -g

14:28 <DavidIAm> it didn't say the system was out of memory. :P

14:28 <dob_> but it did not work

14:28 <ben_alman> isaacs: in this case plugins can change the way the core behaves and as such need to be specified well ahead of time

14:28 <diminoten> db.collection("foo").findOne({"_id":db.bson.serializer.ObjectID('1234')}, callback);

14:28 <tenshihan> yess as per the readme

14:29 <TooTallNate> so it should already be available in your PATH

14:29 <TooTallNate> when you type: node-gyp

14:29 <TooTallNate> what do you see?

14:29 <tenshihan> no, i'm on windows 7 and it's path stingy

14:29 <tenshihan> node isn't even in path

14:29 <ben_alman> but i'll have to look at the idea of not auto-loading

14:29 <TooTallNate> well isaacs, where do global installs go on windows?

14:29 <ben_alman> just don't know if it's too late for that

14:30 <isaacs> TooTallNate: npm bin -g

14:30 <ben_alman> does anyone know why fs.watch is giving me an "Error: watch Unknown system errno 995" error in Windows XP ?

14:30 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: ^

14:30 <TooTallNate> isaacs: nice :)

14:30 <isaacs> wait a minute... that's printing out the wrong thing

14:30 <isaacs> wtf?

14:30 <ben_alman> i can't find anything out about error 995 anywhere

14:30 <dob_> DavidIAm: Any ideas?

14:31 <maxogden> ben_alman: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms681388 "The I/O operation has been aborted because of either a thread exit or an application request."

14:32 <tenshihan> ty added it to my path

14:32 <ben_alman> maxogden: any idea of how that might apply to fs.watch in Windows XP?

14:32 <ben_alman> seems… like i shouldn't be getting that error

14:33 <skylamer`> changing the os? :)

14:33 <jn> i really dont see why having autoloading plugins is a bad idea, it surley beats the alternative of having to manually load them every time i run

14:33 <ben_alman> i'm definitely not getting any errors using the same code in osx

14:33 <jn> ben_alman: send me a message if you ever find a good pattern for plugins :)

14:33 <skylamer`> i mean really

14:33 <maxogden> ben_alman: hmm not sure, do the tests pass?

14:33 <ben_alman> jn, this is what i had https://github.com/cowboy/grunt/commit/fb3a6ad4356289fb0c0cd54dd1a437060f0e5ca1 but it seems pretty scary

14:33 <skylamer`> osx can't be an os xD

14:33 <bnoordhuis> ben_alman: 995 is ERROR_OPERATION_ABORTED

14:34 <yawNO> nop it just doesnt convince me

14:34 <ben_alman> bnoordhuis: do you know what that means in a practical sense?

14:34 <bnoordhuis> ben_alman: i suppose the next question is what exactly got aborted

14:34 <bnoordhuis> where/when are you getting that error?

14:34 <ben_alman> after doing fs.watch(...)

14:34 <ben_alman> i've already watched some files, then i close the watchers, then i watch them again later and that's where it's exploding

14:35 <ben_alman> i wonder if it has a problem with re-watching previously watched files in windows xp

14:35 <bnoordhuis> it shouldn't obviously but it could be a bug

14:35 <ben_alman> ya

14:35 <ben_alman> i'm just trying to make sure i'm closing them properly first

14:37 <ningu> who watches the watchers?

14:37 <yawNO> ningu: I DO

14:37 <ningu> good, glad someone's on it

14:37 <yawNO> just kidding :(

14:38 <bnoordhuis> ben_alman: can you open an issue? preferably with a standalone test case

14:38 <ben_alman> trying to create one

14:38 <addisonj> has anyone had issues where node process will slowly have higher and higher cpu usage even with constant load?

14:39 <tenshihan> TooTallNate: Hey ran into some trouble. Documented it here: http://pastebin.com/vasaej6P

14:39 <jn> ben_alman: thx, i'll keep an eye on that

14:39 <tenshihan> probably something on my end

14:39 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: do you have python installed?

14:39 <TooTallNate> it needs to be in your PATH as well

14:39 <* ningu> successfully disconnected the superdrive from his macbook... kind of an annoying procedure :P

14:40 <tenshihan> yes

14:40 <tenshihan> oh

14:40 <tenshihan> effin windows

14:40 <TooTallNate> hahaha

14:40 <TooTallNate> i could try to autodetect where Python lives when that fails

14:40 <TooTallNate> please open an Issue for that if you desire :)

14:40 <ben_alman> hmmn bnoordhuis looks like if i just do w.close(); to close the watcher, it explodes in win xp

14:40 <ben_alman> still trying to figure this out

14:40 <ningu> is node on windows generally kind of dodgy?

14:41 <tenshihan> woot it worked!

14:41 <TooTallNate> ningu: it's generally really nice actually

14:41 <ningu> good to keep in mind

14:41 <ningu> I might be forced to develop some node stuff under windows

14:41 <ningu> :)

14:41 <TooTallNate> windows and osx these days have a nice "low-barrier" feel to them

14:42 <TooTallNate> mainly cause of the installers

14:42 <ningu> well, osx is fairly close to vanilla unix though, or can be

14:42 <mmalecki> windows is dodgy

14:42 <Bonuspunkt> depends on what are you trying to accomplish

14:42 <ningu> I usually use cygwin on windows

14:42 <ben_alman> ok bnoordhuis figureed it out sec

14:42 <ningu> but I know that isn't recommended with node

14:43 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: what are you compiling?

14:43 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: oh nvm, i see in the pastie :)

14:43 <tenshihan> TooTallNate: right now just the hellow world example. i'm eventually gonna interface with redis

14:44 <dob_> How can i increase the 64bit node.js memory limit? Or is this not possible? Tried node --max_old_space_size=4500 --max_executable_size=4500 --max_new_space_size=450000 test.js

14:44 <tenshihan> i got a new error

14:44 <tenshihan> on the build step

14:44 <dob_> but this does not work... Can somebody help me?

14:44 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: show me please :)

14:44 <TooTallNate> SpootyBooty

14:44 <TooTallNate> :p

14:44 <tenshihan> TooTallNate: http://pastebin.com/yHcE18Ar

14:44 <tenshihan> that's my cat's name

14:45 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: whats the name of your gyp file?

14:45 <TooTallNate> tenshihan: windows currently "wants" the file to be called bindings.gyp, but i have plans to fix that

14:45 <TooTallNate> https://github.com/TooTallNate/node-gyp/issues/28

14:45 <TooTallNate> for now you can specify the .sln file to use with --solution=blah.sln

14:46 <tenshihan> ok

14:46 <tenshihan> so instead of hello2.gyp rename it to bindings.gyp

14:46 <TooTallNate> ya that will fix it

14:46 <TooTallNate> won't be necessary in the 0.2.0 release ;)

14:46 <tenshihan> yup

14:46 <tenshihan> very nice tool

14:46 <tenshihan> probably saved me half a day

14:47 <TooTallNate> thanks!

14:47 <tenshihan> ok so now i have this compiled i can just plug it into my addons?

14:47 <TooTallNate> tell your friends :D

14:47 <ben_alman> bnoordhuis: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/2837

14:47 <TooTallNate> you see it in ./Release?

14:47 <addisonj> hrm… so I am having issues where a long running node process slowly consumes more and more cpu even with constant load, anyone seen this or have ideas on how to debug it? I could could attach the node profiler...

14:48 <TooTallNate> you should just be able to require() it, ya

14:48 <TheJH> addisonj, problem is, memory profiling doesn't work that good in recent node versions anymore :D

14:49 <TheJH> addisonj, what kinds of modules are you using?

14:49 <addisonj> its not memory that is being consumed, it is cpu that spikes

14:49 <bnoordhuis> ben_alman: thanks

14:49 <TheJH> uh, sorry

14:49 <ben_alman> sure

14:49 <TheJH> that's weird

14:49 <addisonj> exactly

14:49 <jesusabdullah> TheJH: I saw you have a bot in here. Where's the sauce?

14:49 <addisonj> men leaks I accept, cpu leaks (if such a thing exists) are more crazy

14:49 <dob_> Is it really not possible to increase the memory limit of node under macosx?

14:50 <TheJH> jesusabdullah, https://github.com/thejh/nodebot or so

14:50 <TheJH> coffeescript :P

14:50 <jesusabdullah> whaaaat gurrl

14:50 <TheJH> addisonj, sounds like a weird setInterval or so to me...

14:51 <TheJH> jesusabdullah, I think it's pretty readable :P

14:51 <addisonj> thats what I am thinking… i am going to try and grep them out of our codebase but some dependency will probably be the culprit

14:51 <jesusabdullah> sure, I can read coffeescript (kinda)

14:51 <jesusabdullah> I was more interested in structure anyway

14:52 <TheJH> one big file with one big object containing commands :)

14:52 <_rockbot_> hi folks! anyone have any experience with cloud9?

14:53 <litwol> o/ Poetro

14:54 <Poetro> hey litwol

14:54 <litwol> been a while :)

14:57 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: to a certain extent. i work for cloud9. :)

14:57 <yawNO> lol

14:57 <yawNO> that made me laugh

14:58 <_rockbot_> lol bnoordhuis - nice :-) I'm having issues porting my node app, mostly in just getting it to compile

14:59 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: what's giving you trouble?

14:59 <_rockbot_> bnoordhuis: specifically npm install mongoose-auth

15:00 <_rockbot_> (even more specifically, npm is failing at bcrypt)

15:00 <smallfoot-> node.js can use database?

15:00 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: is your app written for 0.6?

15:00 <CIA-102> node: 03isaacs 07master * r0e7dad3 10/ (61 files in 12 dirs): Merge branch 'json-api-docs' (+45 more commits...) - http://git.io/LBRztg

15:01 <_rockbot_> bnoordhuis,: you know, I'm not sure... (I assume so?) how do I find out?

15:01 <dob_> Is there a option to increase the memory limit under macosx? --max_old_space_size=4500 --max_executable_size=4500 --max_new_space_size=450000

15:01 <_rockbot_> smallfoot-, yes, node.js can use databases; what kind are you looking to use?

15:02 <dob_> did not work for me

15:02 <Qalqi> which db works better with node?

15:02 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: what does npm's output look like?

15:03 <smallfoot-> _rockbot_, i dont know, i mostly used mysql, but i also have experience with sqlite, which can nodejs use?

15:05 <_rockbot_> bnoordhuis, here's the output: http://pastebin.com/SgdETLVr

15:06 <_rockbot_> smallfoot-: nodejs can use mysql-type dbs, but (I think) it works best with NoSQL-type dbs, mainly MongoDB, CouchDB, and Redis

15:06 <polotek> Anybody here using a repl server in production processes?

15:07 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: yes, bcrypt expects node v0.6 - most of c9 is still on 0.4

15:07 <_rockbot_> ahhh.. what should I do?

15:07 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: i'm not in operations but maybe daniela (our support engineer) can migrate you to v0.6

15:08 <bnoordhuis> i'm not sure if and how far the 0.6 rollout is

15:08 <bnoordhuis> but she'll know

15:08 <_rockbot_> bnoordhuis, awesome, thanks! how can i contact her?

15:09 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: let me dig up her email address

15:09 <_rockbot_> sweet, thanks!

15:10 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: i can give you her email but @C9support on twitter is probably faster

15:10 <bnoordhuis> that is, if you have twitter, of course

15:10 <CIA-102> node: 03Shigeki Ohtsu 07master * r82ad1f8 10/ (common.gypi configure): Fix #2830 for the old gcc bug on SmartOS - http://git.io/xu_m7w

15:11 <CIA-102> node: 03isaacs 07master * rf4641bd 10/ (179 files in 21 dirs): Update v8 to 3.9.9 - http://git.io/vLr44w

15:11 <CIA-102> node: 03isaacs 07master * rfde2600 10/ deps/v8/build/common.gypi : v8: Remove OutputDirectory from build/common.gypi - http://git.io/xJdH3A

15:11 <_rockbot_> ok, awesome, thanks! yes, i'm on twitter - i'll tweet at support now :-)

15:13 <bnoordhuis> _rockbot_: good luck :)

15:14 <bnoordhuis> polotek: yes

15:14 <darrenlooby> I've kind of approached this before... but, I want to make sure I get it right... I have a web server running apache. I want to also run nodejs - but, I'd want to ignore apache... I don't mind playing with different ports... this'll work, right?

15:15 <bnoordhuis> darrenlooby: yes

15:15 <darrenlooby> Sweet

15:15 <darrenlooby> I've played with it a few times, but never got it working correctly... just have to try again :)

15:18 <polotek> bnoordhuis: How do you connect? socat? I want a better interface to the repl. backspace, multi-line, history, etc.

15:18 <bnoordhuis> polotek: netcat

15:20 <bnoordhuis> polotek: most of what you name works for me(tm), i think

15:21 <polotek> I only run on local socket, that's why I use socat. Is it netcat that makes a difference? I think I need a better repl module.

15:21 <ben_alman> bnoordhuis: does fs.watch get tested with Windows XP? becasue I'm running into all kinds of issues

15:21 <ben_alman> it's a total disaster here

15:21 <ben_alman> it's completely missing file changes and reporting files changed that were untouched

15:21 <ben_alman> :(

15:22 <joe__K> Hi... has anyone debugged mocha tests in node.js via node-inspector ?

15:22 <bnoordhuis> ben_alman: windows xp is not the primary target

15:23 <bnoordhuis> it's supported on a best-effort basis but the implicit assumption is that you run at least vista

15:23 <ben_alman> bnoordhuis: so it's unsupported?

15:23 <ben_alman> ok, i can tell people that

15:23 <ben_alman> and not worry about xp

15:23 <ben_alman> thx

15:23 <ben_alman> let me test in win 7

15:25 <akasha> hi, I'm writing my first mocha tests, and wondering if there is a nice way to pass values around? like I set this.foo in before, to access it in nested describe and it statements, but not outside. Is there a nice way to pass values around?

15:26 <joe__K> akasha: I am having exactly the same problem. As long as you use implicit functional closure (i.e. with the BDD "ui"), you can just close over vars

15:26 <akasha> joe__K, you're right :)

15:26 <dob_> node --max-old-space-size=9999 test.js but node does not allocate more than 2GB. Any ideas? I am a bit frustrated. I will need to allocate about 4G for a single process.

15:26 <joe__K> akasha: but no amount of context-setting seems to help, and in fact, the hierarchical context implied by the structure does not seem to be how it gets setup

15:27 <joe__K> akasha: that's why I'm trying to debug mocha in node right now, to see exactly what objects are laying around and where they go during before() and things after it

15:27 <bnoordhuis> dob_: there are a couple of hard limits

15:27 <joe__K> akasha: wait. you are saying setting this.x in before works?

15:27 <joe__K> akasha: I found it didnt

15:27 <polotek> akasha: what kind of tests are you writing that need some much state in between? that's probably a red flag

15:27 <akasha> joe__K, nope, I'm asking

15:28 <bnoordhuis> dob_: that 1.9 GB heap is one of them

15:28 <bnoordhuis> dob_: in most cases it doesn't really matter, most of your data will be in buffer objects and those live largely outside the heap

15:28 <akasha> polotek, I've just loaded in some fixtures, and would like to store references to them for the nested tests, so I don't have to query the db every time

15:29 <DavidIAm> there are functions in my module that aren't exported. Can I still test them?

15:29 <dob_> bnoordhuis: I am using node mysql to select all data from my database.

15:29 <joe__K> akasha: here's my code that doesnt work http://pastebin.com/AhkZP5U7

15:29 <joe__K> but "should"

15:30 <joe__K> its also funny to me that the context in before is called "failing test" after the function that follows it

15:30 <joe__K> at runtime

15:30 <bnoordhuis> dob_: oh, i don't know how node-mysql arranges things internally

15:31 <joe__K> my problem now is that node-inspector doesnt even seem to see the files that mocha loads for testing

15:32 <dob_> bnoordhuis: I tried --max_old_space_size=9999 --max_new_space_size=10999999 --max_executable_size=9999

15:32 <joe__K> which i understood with coffescript, but not with my .js test

15:33 <darrenlooby> Any recommendations as to a good install tut for nodejs with rpm?

15:33 <bnoordhuis> dob_: max_old_space_size is the main one but it's capped in v8 3.6.x

15:33 <ningu> darrenlooby: is it different from any other rpm install?

15:33 <bnoordhuis> dob_: 3.8.x has a new GC that lets you go above that

15:34 <bnoordhuis> where 'that' is that 1.9 GB limit

15:35 <fromaz> has anyone been able to (simply) authenticate to active directory from within a node app?

15:35 <lolo> مرحبا

15:35 <lolo> الوووو

15:35 <dob_> bnoordhuis: but the current node.js version is using 3.6.x?

15:35 <smallfoot-> whats better node.js, Twisted, POE or EventMachine?

15:35 <bnoordhuis> dob_: node 0.6.x uses v8 3.6.x yes

15:36 <darrenlooby> ningu, generally a good install guide

15:36 <bnoordhuis> dob_: node master is on 3.8.x

15:36 <bnoordhuis> err, 3.9.x even

15:36 <mraleph> dob_: but do not try to pass bogus values to those limits even on master. it will confuse V8.

15:36 <RLa> what's poe?

15:36 <ningu> darrenlooby: have you tried installing the rpm for node? I doubt you need to do anything else, maybe npm is a separate rpm

15:36 <ningu> POE is the perl version

15:37 <ningu> the perl equivalent of the concept, I should say

15:37 <kevinliu> anyone have experience with subdomain routing in express?

15:37 <mraleph> dob_: especially the new space size, cause V8 has to prereserve new space memory.

15:38 <kevinliu> similar to apache VirtualHost functionality

15:39 <dob_> bnoordhuis: Do you think it's a good idea to checkout master?

15:40 <dob_> kevinliu: Take a look at the connect examples

15:40 <bnoordhuis> dob_: well, it depends - master is pretty stable right now but it's probably not a good idea to run your business-critical apps on it

15:41 <fromaz> kevinliu: these look interesting: https://github.com/tblobaum/express-subdomains, https://github.com/WilsonPage/express-subdomain-handler

15:42 <darrenlooby> ningu, sorry. I'm just being silly. npm is what I need. I'm trying to get node working at all

15:44 <dob_> So do you guys think it's a better idea to do SELECT with limits?!

15:44 <dob_> :-)

15:53 <ben_alman> bnoordhuis: i have the exact same wacky fs.watch behavior in windows 7

15:53 <ben_alman> it's so beyond ridiculous

15:54 <ben_alman> i guess i have to create some test cases

15:54 <ben_alman> this sucks, because i need to like, get actual work done :/

15:54 <ben_alman> it's basically totally broken

15:57 <whatthefunk> I'm creating a c extension and was wondering if theres a way to cast a `<Value>` to a `char *` with escaped newlines and escaped double-quotes.. thanks

15:58 <RLa> won't you have encoding problems with that?

15:59 <whatthefunk> @RLa I just want to mimic the #read() function of spidermonkey shell repl

16:00 <RLa> i think you first need to cast Value to String

16:01 <RLa> hm, there should be ToString method on Value

16:01 <whatthefunk> @RLa I'm currently in that situation.. but I can't seem to find anything in the v8/node docs that point to it.. I ready spidermonkey's and it takes in pathname and they read it as binary

16:02 <RLa> hm

16:02 <darrenlooby> So, question. I've made a helloworld.js file... how do I make it run in the background...

16:02 <bnoordhuis> whatthefunk: v8 strings always have an encoding

16:03 <bnoordhuis> you can decode a string to utf8, ucs2 or 7 bits ascii

16:03 <bnoordhuis> if you wan true binary, use buffers

16:04 <smallfoot-> socket.io fail to install =/

16:09 <CIA-102> node: 03isaacs 07v0.6 * r4f8d732 10/ Makefile : Fix #2822 Only remove logo images, not logo html - http://git.io/WpjDRg

16:09 <RLa> god damn, my ec2 instance failed before even starting

16:10 <darrenlooby> Ok, here's a really stupid question. Do I have to be in Node CLI to use NPM?

16:11 <RLa> no

16:11 <felixge> rauchg: ping

16:11 <isaacs> darrenlooby: no

16:11 <isaacs> darrenlooby: npm is a standalone command-line program

16:12 <felixge> rauchg: https://github.com/LearnBoost/socket.io/blob/master/lib/manager.js#L743

16:12 <darrenlooby> isaacs, cheers

16:12 <felixge> rauchg: seems like the handshake is only sending the 'heartbeat timeout' to the client, but not the 'heartbeat interval'

16:12 <felixge> rauchg: from what I can tell, the client would need both in order to detect missing heart beats

16:13 <darrenlooby> isaacs, it doesn't appear to have install when I install node - what's it call in Ubuntu RPM?

16:13 <CIA-102> libuv: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07v0.6 * r9a5c1ba 10/ src/win/util.c : windows: fix time conversion in stat - http://git.io/B4iQEA

16:13 <darrenlooby> isaacs, sorry. Another stupid question. Got it.

16:13 <jesusabdullah> isaacs: Question for you!

16:14 <rauchg> that should work though i think

16:14 <felixge> rauchg: was that for me?

16:14 <jesusabdullah> isaacs: I know I can use a github repo as the source for an npm install, but can I make it use a specific commit?

16:14 <rauchg> yep

16:14 <guidocalvano> how come require.js loads the same library twice!? Normally it doesn't...

16:14 <jesusabdullah> isaacs: if so (I'm guessing yeah), how?

16:14 <guidocalvano> but I just see my code executing again with console.log

16:14 <guidocalvano> (instead of caching the result)

16:14 <rauchg> we do need better defaults i think

16:15 <rauchg> ping timeout should be 60 seconds

16:15 <rauchg> interval 25 seconds

16:15 <rauchg> basically timeout roughly 2x interval

16:16 <wankdanker> is there an npm command to add the packages in node_modules to package.json's dependencies?

16:16 <CIA-102> node: 03Igor Zinkovsky 07v0.6 * r70a393e 10/ (deps/uv/src/win/fs.c deps/uv/src/win/util.c): update libuv to 9a5c1bad90 - http://git.io/a33OTw

16:17 <isaacs> wankdanker: no. patch welcome.

16:18 <jesusabdullah> wankdanker: check out require-analyzer maybe?

16:18 <wankdanker> isaacs: thanks, suggestions? just read package name and version from pacakge.jsons that are found in node_modules?

16:18 <wankdanker> jesusabdullah: cool, thanks. i'll take a look at that.

16:18 <isaacs> wankdanker: yes. npm init shoudl do this.

16:19 <isaacs> wankdanker: there's already shrinkwrap now if you want to lock them down

16:19 <isaacs> wankdanker: but npm init shoudl read them in, and then create a default 'dependencies' section based on those, maybe walk the user through each one to verify

16:20 <wankdanker> isaacs: ok. if I can find some time, I may dig in to that.

16:20 <isaacs> kewl

16:21 <darrenlooby> I'm getting errors on a really basic hello world that I've copied... it worked not minutes ago

16:21 <darrenlooby> http://pastebin.com/P9Npue88

16:21 <felixge> rauchg: but wouldn't the client need to know the interval? (rather than the timeout which I assume would start ticking after an interval?)

16:22 <kevinliu> express.vhost works perfectly!

16:23 <rauchg> sure but the client can't expect a perfect world where the packets arrive precisely at interval

16:23 <rauchg> you would need some sort of multiplier

16:23 <rauchg> but it so happens that the ping timeout works very well as a multiplier already

16:23 <ts__> anyone has some experience with twitter storm ?

16:23 <rauchg> well it works very well cause it usually is a multiple of the interval i should say

16:24 <darrenlooby> I'm getting errors on a really basic hello world that I've copied... it worked not minutes ago http://pastebin.com/P9Npue88

16:24 <wink_> darren: you have something else bound to that port