00:28
<systmkor>
dalias: thanks
00:29
<systmkor>
dalias: is there a glibc package, I can't seem to find it anywhere
00:46
<systmkor>
dalias: would it somewhat simple to build it myself and run it locally on alpine
00:46
<systmkor>
dalias: that paxtest program
00:47
<systmkor>
requires a.out.h
00:47
<systmkor>
which isn't appart of MUSL
00:47
<systmkor>
and I couldn't find uClibc either
00:49
<dalias>
i'm not familiar with this program
00:49
<dalias>
it migth just be a matter of dropping in a header that looks like what it expects
00:50
<systmkor>
dalias: possibly, but I wouldn't be surprised that the header is tightly couple to glibc
00:50
<dalias>
it's not. it's just random junk distributed with glibc because it happened to be present on some legacy systems
00:51
<systmkor>
well next time I get a spare moment i'll check that out
00:51
<dalias>
it might have some dependencies on glibc's headers in it (like names of types, internal use macros, etc.)
00:51
<dalias>
but it doesn't actually have anything to do with glibc code
00:51
<dalias>
(or with any code)
00:54
<systmkor>
dalias: maybe I should go ask in the #musl channel :P
00:54
<systmkor>
dalias: do you know if someone has an existing Dockerfile for building alpine linux with docker?
01:07
<katlogic>
Isn't a.out.h part of kernel?
01:08
<katlogic>
(ie /usr/include/linux should link to linux arch includes)
01:10
<dalias>
it's not linux/a.out.h
01:10
<dalias>
just a.out.h
01:15
<systmkor>
dalias katlogic were would be a good place to start to contribute to the wiki?
01:47
<barfod>
systmkor: heads up, anything related to musl or alpine is not really a community project. it is just show off grounds for new libc implementations that barely work( and represent one or two mens egos). probably better off just building what you need with buildroot.
02:10
<pnutzh4x0r>
barfod: ?
02:11
<teiresias>
The dude be trollin'
02:11
<pnutzh4x0r>
sounded like it...
02:27
<barfod>
"trolling" is something you do to catch fish. I simply shared my experience. If you have a different experience, I am sure you are welcome to share it.
02:31
<systmkor>
barfod: huh?
02:34
<barfod>
it seems like what i said was pretty clear, if it does not suit your needs or your find it contrary to what you believe, you are welcome to abandon the information
02:36
<systmkor>
so alpine is not a community project
02:36
<barfod>
i noticed they gave you no reply about the wiki, and happens on #musl
02:36
<systmkor>
"it is just a show off grounds for new libc implementations"?
02:37
<systmkor>
what part about wiki did I not rply to
02:38
<barfod>
yeah, sadly this is true. In their haste to prove themselves they have abandoned most foss projects to create a new project with a new libc that has wasted 1000's if not easily tens of thousands of man hours learning to deal with and adjusting our build systems to it
02:39
<systmkor>
"In their haste" who is their/they?
02:39
<barfod>
"they" being some members of the foss community, alpine is ok, but it is closely tied into this type of ego displaying work, with little regard to the foundations all of us have already used and built
02:39
<systmkor>
I don't know what this ego displaying work you speak of is.
02:39
<barfod>
basically musl is an epic waste of everyones time
02:40
<systmkor>
i am not saying anything about any of the libc implementations
02:40
<systmkor>
I was asking what would be a good start on the wiki
02:40
<systmkor>
like is there a page that needs spelling and grammar checking?
02:41
<barfod>
you notice none of them chimed in to help you?
02:42
<barfod>
perhaps you thought they were having dinner
02:42
<barfod>
well this is the experience you will likely continue to have
02:42
<systmkor>
barfod: well i don't know the GMT of all the members
02:42
<systmkor>
and usually like 90% of people in irc channels just idle
02:42
<systmkor>
pulled that out of my ass
02:42
<barfod>
yeah, i am curious. i really hope they let you help with the editing
02:42
<systmkor>
well i can edit pages already
02:43
<systmkor>
its open for editing
02:43
<barfod>
anyway, you think they are idling
02:43
<systmkor>
i am just curious if there was anything that someone wanted worked on
02:43
<barfod>
but they are not
02:43
<systmkor>
sure okay
02:43
<barfod>
just my advice, use buildroot
02:43
<barfod>
take it or leave it
02:43
<systmkor>
yah communities take a lot of work to build
02:43
<systmkor>
but usually save you way more time than going "lone wolf"
02:43
<systmkor>
so i am good
02:44
<barfod>
um yeah, and you actually have to answer people like you who are asking questions
02:45
<systmkor>
sorry I don't think I am understanding you well.
02:45
<systmkor>
I may need to eat more food.
02:45
<systmkor>
What is your point?
02:46
<pnutzh4x0r>
i think most of the main alpine devs are in europe
02:46
<pnutzh4x0r>
so they are probably still asleep
02:47
<barfod>
come on, we are nerds. we sleep for 7 hours, drink some milk and check IRC
02:47
<pnutzh4x0r>
there is also #alpine-devel (although most of the devs talk in both channels)
02:47
<systmkor>
pnutzh4x0r: well I am pacific standard time
02:47
<systmkor>
any recommended best time to be on?
02:47
<pnutzh4x0r>
meh, ive submitted some patches for new packages and some existing ones and ncopa and others have been pretty responsive
02:48
<pnutzh4x0r>
systmkor: from my experience early in the morning
02:48
<pnutzh4x0r>
im in central time
02:48
<pnutzh4x0r>
and i see a lot of activity between 5-7
02:48
<pnutzh4x0r>
my time
02:48
<pnutzh4x0r>
so 3-5 your time...
02:49
<systmkor>
15:00 - 17:00?
02:49
<pnutzh4x0r>
systmkor: http://irclogger.com/.alpine-linux/2014-10-01
02:49
<pnutzh4x0r>
you can look at the logs
02:50
<systmkor>
didn't know that existed
02:50
<pnutzh4x0r>
a lot of it happens at 3-5 in the morning
02:50
<barfod>
wow, they have you guys conditioned to only expect responses 2 hours out of the day?
02:50
<systmkor>
pnutzh4x0r: 03:00-05:00 PST?
02:51
<pnutzh4x0r>
systmkor: basically
02:51
<barfod>
that is more ludicrous than anything i could have imagined
02:51
<pnutzh4x0r>
well, u can also email the mailing list
02:51
<pnutzh4x0r>
im not saying that is the only time, just the most active time
02:52
<barfod>
but i am amazed by peoples loyalty sometimes. albeit unfounded
02:52
<pnutzh4x0r>
yep, you got us barfod
02:52
<systmkor>
pnutzh4x0r: m'kay sure thing
02:52
<pnutzh4x0r>
naively loyal and conditioned
02:52
<pnutzh4x0r>
totally brainwashed
02:53
<systmkor>
pnutzh4x0r: Locutus of Borg, I am Borg
02:53
<barfod>
no, _we_ are borg
02:53
<systmkor>
there is no we in borg
02:53
<systmkor>
all are borg
02:54
<systmkor>
i have no idea if that is actually true
02:54
<barfod>
I am borg too
02:54
<systmkor>
but just what I remember from that remix song
02:54
<barfod>
just thought i would share my perspective
02:54
<katlogic>
barfod: Why u love us no more? :(
02:55
<barfod>
cause you are dicks?
02:55
<barfod>
is this a trick question?
02:56
<systmkor>
barfod: found it https://soundcloud.com/chrisjeade/darkmateria-the-picard-song
02:57
<barfod>
systmkor: oh you are awesome for this find.
02:59
<katlogic>
systmkor: That would totally deserve fexomated intro - https://hearthis.at/fexomat/nsfstartrek-vs-sumonefexomat-mashup-2012
03:01
<systmkor>
katlogic: lol wtf
09:36
<fou>
greetings. which apks do i have to add to be able to compile the current kernel?
09:37
<fou>
your "documentation" so far left out bc too
09:39
<fou>
now its looking for crc32c
09:40
<fou>
which apk is that part of?
09:40
<fou>
someone here must compile the linux kernel just for fun. pls.
09:42
<crow>
fou i think alpine-sdk
09:43
<crow>
fou sure someone here compile kernel, just not everyone is always online and on irc
10:07
<clandmeter>
hit and run
10:07
<clandmeter>
just how we like it :)
10:08
<^7heo_>
yeah, people are used to 24/7 indian support lines...
10:08
<^7heo_>
maybe we should try to find some indian people to help.
10:13
<Jean-Scotch>
I'm trying to setup a test environment to investigate (and try to solve) the openvswitch segfault problem (it happens whith all flavors; 32 bits or 64 bits; regulare kernel or vanilla one).
10:13
<Jean-Scotch>
as ncopa suggested, I added the openvswith-dbg package
10:15
<Jean-Scotch>
but I dunno where to find the crash reports and in dmesg, I see no difference with or without ovs-dbg :(
10:16
<clandmeter>
did you set ulimit -c unlimited?
10:17
<Jean-Scotch>
no... but will do and try again
10:17
<clandmeter>
else the core will not be written
10:18
<clandmeter>
how do you run ovs?
10:18
<clandmeter>
from init i guess?
10:19
<Jean-Scotch>
/etc/init.d/ovs-modules start;/etc/init.d/ovsdv-server start;/etc/init.d/ovs-vswitch start
10:19
<Jean-Scotch>
the crash occurs when "ovs-vsctl add-br mylan"
10:20
<Jean-Scotch>
s/ovsdv-server/ovsdb-server/
10:20
<clandmeter>
you can debug the core after it crashes, or you can start it directly inside gdb.
10:20
<clandmeter>
but im maybe not the best debugger around :)
10:20
<Jean-Scotch>
sorry, wrong window
10:21
<^7heo_>
what's better than gdb?
10:21
<Jean-Scotch>
I do'nt see any core
10:22
<clandmeter>
try: find / -name core
10:29
<Jean-Scotch>
ok. I rebooted after installing gdb. then first comman issued was ulimit -c unimited. now launching ovs-vswitchd shows an error stating that a core was dumped. and it is in / ...
10:39
<clandmeter>
Jean-Scotch: get a backtrace
10:39
<Jean-Scotch>
I'm reading doc about gdb as I'm not used to it
10:40
<clandmeter>
gdb executable core
10:40
<clandmeter>
bt full
10:41
<clandmeter>
you can log to a txt
10:44
<Jean-Scotch>
gdb /usr/sbin/ovs-vswitchd /core respond "warning: can't read pathname for load map: I/O error."
10:45
<Jean-Scotch>
bt full ends with complaints about missing symbol table for /lib/ld-musl-i386.so.1
10:45
<clandmeter>
set pagination 0
10:45
<Jean-Scotch>
I guess I have to install musl-dbg also...
10:45
<clandmeter>
set logging on
10:45
<clandmeter>
bt full
10:45
<clandmeter>
and you can paste gdb.txt
10:46
<clandmeter>
yes you probably need that.
10:47
<Jean-Scotch>
Ok. I do the full start again with musl-dbg
10:52
<Jean-Scotch>
that's better.
10:56
<Jean-Scotch>
I find a "cannot access memory at address 0x50692664" which seems related to ovsthread_wrapper at lib/ovs-thread.c:325 then start at src/thread/pthread_create.c:122 then __clone at src/threab/i386/clone.s:36
10:56
<Jean-Scotch>
the last two ones are related to musl (ad showned the try before without musl-dbg)
10:57
<clandmeter>
Jean-Scotch: let ncopa look at it. he should be back shortly.
10:57
<Jean-Scotch>
I read something on bug.a.o about the size of the stack on musl which was to small. Could it be stille related?
10:57
<Jean-Scotch>
clandmeter: ok
10:57
<clandmeter>
Jean-Scotch: can you sprunge the trace?
10:58
<clandmeter>
apk add sprunge
10:58
<clandmeter>
sprunge < gdb.txt
10:58
<Jean-Scotch>
:) never heard about sprunge ...
10:59
<Jean-Scotch>
http://sprunge.us/MWYi
10:59
<clandmeter>
ncopa: ^
11:00
<clandmeter>
or maybe fabled can take a look at it. he is our musl expert.
11:02
<fabled>
Jean-Scotch, yes, wrong assumption about default stack size is possible, and cause crash like that. need to look at the backtrace first.
11:03
<fabled>
you still have the core?
11:04
<fabled>
what does 'disassemble' and 'info registers' say?
11:04
<ncopa>
i thought we fixed the stack size issue
11:05
<fabled>
yes, there's a patch for that
11:05
<ncopa>
and we do apply it
11:05
<Jean-Scotch>
disassemble gives some assembler lines output
11:06
<fabled>
can you please sprunge them
11:07
<Jean-Scotch>
http://sprunge.us/VWAa
11:11
<ncopa>
smells like a race
11:15
<^7heo_>
burnt tires?
11:15
<fabled>
ncopa, sounds like too small stack still
11:20
<fabled>
Jean-Scotch, can you check also:
11:20
<fabled>
p sizeof(struct flow_miss)
11:21
<fabled>
p sizeof(struct upcall)
11:22
<Jean-Scotch>
response are: $1 = 1136 for the first one and $2 = 604 for the second one
11:22
<fabled>
that's not still too much
11:23
<fabled>
and you have the latest openvswitch with the stack size fix?
11:23
<Jean-Scotch>
yes downloaded from repo just before trying
11:26
<fabled>
ncopa, the stack size patch is incorrect
11:26
<fabled>
and i was too blind to see it when reviewing it
11:27
<fabled>
you set up nice 'attr' but pthread_create() call never uses it
11:27
<fabled>
you want me to fix it?
11:40
<crow>
inside the gdb you can type: l to get code
11:42
<crow>
ups didnt scrol down the log :)
11:47
<ncopa>
i can clean up my own mistakes
11:48
<fabled>
Jean-Scotch, ncopa: i pushed new openvswitch
11:48
<fabled>
please try that
11:49
<ncopa>
i havent pushed it yet
11:49
<fabled>
ncopa, i fixe it
11:49
<fabled>
http://tinyurl.com/mhodjp2
11:49
<Jean-Scotch>
ok. I will build a new qemu alpine from scratch and test it
11:54
<ncopa>
fabled: i will send the patch upstream: https://github.com/ncopa/ovs/commit/9ff82b9a7cabea6fb367c1f37aef740b9f02b701
11:54
<Jean-Scotch>
I will have proceeded the new test in a couple of minutes...
12:04
<Jean-Scotch>
still broken. but this time not when launcing ovs-vswitchd first time but when trying to add-br....
12:06
<Jean-Scotch>
maybe the openvswitch I just download was not from the right repo ? I took the fastest from my place...
12:07
<Jean-Scotch>
mirror.bpiotrowski.pl ...
12:15
<fabled>
Jean-Scotch, yes, those sync once in an hour or so. nl.alpinelinux.org is the master.
12:15
<Jean-Scotch>
I suppose I have to use nl.alpinelinux.org
12:15
<Jean-Scotch>
I do it again (it's running). stay tuned ;)
12:25
<Jean-Scotch>
great! no crash (at same step at least). ovs-vsctl add-br mylan works this time
12:29
<Jean-Scotch>
thank you very much for you time and attention ;) I wil now make more tests
12:32
<ncopa>
Jean-Scotch: thanks alot for helping us clean up our mess :)
12:38
<Jean-Scotch>
I'm new to alpine (I discovered it on pipedot.org) and it perfectly fits my current need as I'm migrating my servers out of debian. I plan to run alpine on all my baremetals (but the ones used for building a CEPH cluster and even there maybe I will and run the CEPH daemons in qemu...) and migrate the actual servers to some qemu-kvm. So my boxes will run alpine+ssh+openvswitch+qemu+screen from USB (or PXE). So my next move will be
12:41
<Jean-Scotch>
I guess you may change the status of https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/3309 to resolved now ;) I will still follow this topic very closely
12:41
<Jean-Scotch>
(it's my real name there)
12:49
<barfod>
people are used to 24 hour american support lines, instead we have a bunch of of europeans taking over who only want to work 4 hour days 200 days a year
12:50
<crow>
lol again with that story...
12:51
<barfod>
interesting, i am not the person insulting Indians work ethic at the expense of mocking someone else.
12:51
<barfod>
nor would you find me doing that
12:56
<barfod>
i am glad that you all are finding community in your hate for Indians and americans. please do not be surprised if we take a bit of offense -- being that you europeans have robbed and stole your way into power over the last 1000 years. maybe have a little humility and give back more than you took.
13:00
<ncopa>
morning barfod, i'm sorry that we cannot live up to your support expectations
13:01
<ginjachris>
Guten Tag all
13:03
<barfod>
good morning
13:04
<Jean-Scotch>
good afternoon
13:04
<barfod>
ncopa: it is ok, i still like you. just a batter system has to be derived than simply expecting "no one to state the obvious"
13:04
<vkrishn>
ncopa, maybe try starting http://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/3401
13:05
<stitch>
I just read up and are you seriously getting pissy because musl guys don't answer you instantly on IRC?
13:05
<stitch>
don't be a whiny child and start paying someone for support if you need it that quick
13:06
<ncopa>
vkrishn: i saw it, i dunno if i want spend time on that though
13:06
<barfod>
no, i am getting upset about routine character denegration that its affiliates and maker engage in
13:06
<vkrishn>
the table need be a norm but just guiding
13:06
<vkrishn>
I can create on wiki if ok ?
13:07
<ncopa>
vkrishn: i think a wiki page for that is ok
13:07
<vkrishn>
and devs are not bound by it
13:07
<vkrishn>
ok will do
13:07
<ncopa>
yes, i dont want think just because we are here, we are available for help everyone
13:08
<barfod>
you are supposed to serve your community, that is what foss is about
13:08
<stitch>
he is not SUPPOSED to do anything
13:08
<stitch>
he is volunteering his time for this
13:08
<barfod>
yes, haha. we are all responisble for our actions
13:09
<stitch>
if you want a different response make it someone's worthwhile financially
13:09
<ncopa>
barfod: i will not stop you serving the community, please do if you have the capacity
13:09
<barfod>
mhmm, "volunteer" i think the attitude is making it clear that it is just a transitionary stage to help procur employment
13:09
<ncopa>
we just code, put our stuff out for free there for anyone to reuse
13:10
<ncopa>
but we dont give any promise for anything
13:10
<barfod>
"please do if you have the capacity"
13:11
<ncopa>
we help each other whenever possible
13:11
<barfod>
speaks with a forked tounge
13:11
<ncopa>
i suppose you get what you pay for
13:11
<barfod>
a mans words should be clear, and his intention made known
13:11
<vkrishn>
barfod, why not make a list of alpinelinux related tech queries and post on ML
13:12
<ncopa>
barfod: what is your intention?
13:13
<barfod>
to shift the communities focus back to uclibc so we can actually get some work done
13:14
<stitch>
feel free to fork
13:14
<ncopa>
so you want us to move back to uclibc?
13:15
<ncopa>
do you have any good reasons for why we should do that?
13:16
<ncopa>
i have been very happy with musl
13:16
<barfod>
yes, i think that musl represents a counter-productive hacker community which shares exploits instead of reporting them. And that it is an inferior software that does not work with valgrind. and has created 1000's of build failures. and wasted tens of thousands of man hours
13:17
<barfod>
ncopa: i believe that what you are happy with is the connection to rich felkers special club of insiders. i know it seems fun making fun of me and all the members of foss with them, but it is childish
13:18
<barfod>
as long as he spoon feeds you information, and mocks your competitors -- yes musl would be the best choice for you
13:18
<stitch>
what exploits are shared around in cabal fashion?
13:18
<barfod>
if that was to subsde, i believe that you would quikly find yourself on the other side of the fence
13:19
<ginjachris>
look like i missed the start of something here...
13:21
<crow>
ginjachris startet last night CET time :)
13:22
<ncopa>
eh, special club of insiders
13:23
<ncopa>
that was interesting
13:24
<ncopa>
i dont have any more relation with musl devs than i have with any other FOSS project coders
13:24
<crow>
ncopa can we get invites?
13:26
<ncopa>
crow: sure, its just to write beautiful code and help debug nasty bugs
13:26
<ncopa>
and youre in :)
13:26
<barfod>
ncopa: understood. well alpine is all good with me then, as long as you can control your community and keep them from mocking a concerned citizen
13:26
<clandmeter>
wow, this is the first english speaking person for which I need a dictionary to understand what he says.
13:27
<barfod>
ah see, back with ad hominem attacks
13:28
<ginjachris>
oh barfod, don't take it personally. It's more a compliment, you obviously speak eloquently!
13:28
<barfod>
also; referring to people in third person is exceptionally rude
13:28
<ginjachris>
(I'm more a short and simple kind of guy, Getting old, no time for long words! :S)
13:28
<barfod>
oh, no problem
13:29
<barfod>
ginjachris: you are all good.
13:30
<ginjachris>
Reminds me of that time Comrade Che Guevarra and his fellows were sat around a table discussing things, and it soon got out of hand because everyone had a different opinion on what to do and so there were arguments
13:31
<ginjachris>
so Che took out a matchbox, wrote something on the back of it and handed it around. After that there were no more arguments
13:31
<barfod>
i love che, awesome person, though he probably killed to many innocent people
13:31
<ginjachris>
all he wrote on the back of it was "Unity"
13:32
<ginjachris>
I think there may have been some innocents killed, once they took power. I think it was mostly peeps who didn't want to give up their land for the community, and also refused to leave the country
13:32
<barfod>
you know he went to Africa for a while as well?
13:33
<ginjachris>
But i think before then (from what I remember) when he was fighting as a guerilla, he only went for legitimate military targets
13:33
<ginjachris>
at least mostly
13:33
<barfod>
i ended up not having a clear picture I think, even after some anthro / humanties classes
13:33
<ginjachris>
oh yeah he did, didn't he? Congo I think
13:33
<ginjachris>
i seem to remember he wasn't impressed with his recruits
13:34
<ginjachris>
i remember him writing something about them closing their eyes and holding down the triger when shooting
13:34
<ginjachris>
which wasn't what he was hoping for, obviously
13:34
<barfod>
wow, very interesting. an anthropological insight
13:35
<barfod>
ok i like you guys, and i support alpine
13:36
<barfod>
the base image size is too big though
13:37
<ginjachris>
you didn't accidentally download Ubuntu did you? ;¬)
13:37
<barfod>
well my distro base is 8MB. but tbh my real problem is more embarassing
13:38
<barfod>
it is that the driver i am using for this wifi USB on debian is terrible
13:38
<barfod>
and i have been to lazy/scared to try and fix it
13:39
<barfod>
i should have tried to fix the driver and sent a patch to debian. instead i did other stuff, because it was easier
13:40
<barfod>
but i will download alpine after my family goes to sleep. 250MB is still pretty reasonable
13:45
<barfod>
i am going to tell you guys what the connection speed drops to, but you can not tell anyone ok?
13:45
<barfod>
it sometimes goes down to 30 KBs
13:46
<ginjachris>
oh try Alpine mini, it's like 80MB
13:47
<ginjachris>
need net connection for package installations of course :)
13:47
<ginjachris>
http://alpinelinux.org/downloads
16:13
<Jean-Scotch>
re there is still a bug in the post-upgrade script of openvswitch. This is not a blocking bug, so very low priority I guess ;)
16:14
<Jean-Scotch>
after reading the script, it seems to want to make some change in the /etc/openvswitch/conf.db but at the time when the scripts run, the file is in use. I think taht the daemon ovsdb-server is already started.
16:20
<Jean-Scotch>
I fill a bug report on bugs.a.o
16:42
<Jean-Scotch>
On the other hand, while running from HDD (sys mode), even if "rc-update add ovs-modules;rc-update add ovsdb-server;rc-update add ovs-vswitchd" was previously issued, the OVS daemons do not start at boot time. One has to start those by hand...
16:45
<Jean-Scotch>
https://bugs.alpinelinux.org/issues/3417
17:00
<Jean-Scotch>
also the command halt doesn't power off the machine. reboot is fine.
17:08
<HlArvEe5nyd5>
try poweroff - also reading up on busybox helps
17:10
<Jean-Scotch>
the wiki advice to use halt... see http://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Alpine_Linux_Init_System. I will try your advice and change my habits ;)
17:16
<Jean-Scotch>
I added poweroff to that page
20:04
<^7heo>
say, why is there no "SDL_Window" type declared in the SDL headers in Alpine?
20:32
<^7heo>
okay, the SDL available is the 1.2