03:50 <jereme> if anyone is around, is it possible to run specs on a single extension

04:05 <agenteo> it is

04:05 <agenteo> ah... he left

11:06 <john__m`> anyone know why ruby-forum seems to have stopped getting updates from the radiant list 3 days ago?

11:06 <john__m`> or are the two not the same?

12:33 <avonderluft> does ray use the radiant extension registry? or does it kindof take its place?

12:34 <seancribbs> ray uses github directly

12:34 <seancribbs> I've talked with john__m` about collaborating to take the best of both worlds

12:36 <avonderluft> so looking at eventually merging his work into the registry, or something like that? that's what I was wondering.

12:36 <seancribbs> yeah - there are a number of things I want to do with that

12:36 <avonderluft> cool.

12:36 <seancribbs> 1) auto-discover extensions in people's github accounts

12:37 <seancribbs> 2) make available forks that you can install instead of the main repo

12:37 <seancribbs> Jason Garber already started on making download a fallback for checkout, which is key

12:42 <john__m`> avonderluft: ray maintains a separate list generated from github, if that list is out of date you can use fullname=

12:42 <avonderluft> seancribbs: do you have a projected release date for 0.8? just curious, as we are deploying the 0.7.1 upgrade for con-way this weekend.

12:42 <seancribbs> avonderluft: Real Soon Now (tm)

12:43 <john__m`> as soon as github fixes their api the list won't go out of date

12:43 <avonderluft> :-)

12:43 <seancribbs> avonderluft: seriously, I think this month

12:43 <seancribbs> there's only a few more specs to fix before we're rolling on 2.3

12:44 <seancribbs> then 0.9 is going to be the blade UI (talked to John about it last night)

12:44 <seancribbs> and we can potentially do i18n as part of that

12:44 <seancribbs> after that, it'll finally be 1.0

13:21 <john__m`> any advice on adding alt tags when using r:attachment:image if you're not sure what the image will be?

13:22 <john__m`> i.e. inside an r:attachment:each

13:22 <avonderluft> you mean what alt text to use?

13:23 <john__m`> no, how to get alt text in there

13:24 <seancribbs> john__m`: you'll likely need to construct the <img /> tag yourself

13:26 <john__m`> but then how do you get the _icon version with the a real img tag?

13:26 <seancribbs> mmm

13:26 <john__m`> doesn't seem possible without some javascript

13:26 <john__m`> and javascript to add accessibility seems somehow oxymoronic

13:27 <seancribbs> use <r:url size="icon" />

13:27 <john__m`> oh! i didn't know that was possible

13:27 <john__m`> thanks

13:27 <seancribbs> read the tag docs ;)

13:27 <john__m`> who knew?

13:27 <seancribbs> heh

13:28 <seancribbs> http://github.com/radiant/radiant-page-attachments-extension/blob/332d6c6787d1afbbc7adde496feba4be36d1d438/app/models/page_attachment_tags.rb#L30

13:28 <djcp> Speaking of page_attachments, I'm thinking it'd be nice to make them editable in some fashion so you can modify title / description without having to re-attach the file.

13:28 <djcp> Just not sure where that'd fit in the UI, I guess I could have the form drop in where the "new attachment" form does.

13:28 <seancribbs> djcp: the whole UI needs revisiting

13:29 <seancribbs> I'd love to have jlong give it his touch

13:29 <seancribbs> but we might have something else entirely in radiant-more

13:30 <djcp> Ok. I have a clear need for this now, and ideally I'd like to have the work be worth something to the extension.

13:32 <djcp> One other random issue that I need to report to the reorder (or copy-move) extension maintainer - when you "copy-move" an ordered page to another part of the hierarchy, the position attribute gets corrupted and reordering breaks.

13:33 <djcp> I've found that copy-move and reorder make it into every Radiant site I manage. Anyone else?

13:34 <avonderluft> yes definitely.

13:35 <djcp> Even just exposing the "position" parameter for manual editing. . .sucks but at least you could fix without dropping into the console / database.

13:35 <avonderluft> have you got the latest copy-move? there have been some patches.

13:35 <djcp> Oh! I'll check it out.

13:35 <djcp> acts_as_list is pretty stupid.

13:38 <seancribbs> djcp: indeed it is

13:39 <seancribbs> I've had situations where I had to manually reorder things because acts_as_list let two items get the same index

13:41 <* djcp> is a big fan of materialized paths because then you get simple SQL, trees and ordering in one model.

13:42 <* djcp> doesn't mean model in the Rails sense of the word.

13:42 <seancribbs> djcp: nested set might be an option at some point

13:42 <seancribbs> but that has its own caveats

13:42 <djcp> Very poorly performing if you've got a lot of updates and the SQL is pretty complicated.

13:43 <djcp> But yeah, similar capabilities.

13:43 <seancribbs> well, most web apps are write little, read lots

13:44 <seancribbs> Radiant included

13:44 <seancribbs> but we rarely need to select an entire set, so it's just not worth it

13:45 <djcp> The WebGUI CMS used a nested set module I wrote to replace their tree model and eventually moved to a materialized path.

13:45 <djcp> They found performance problematic, but it might've been because of poor locking in MySQL (this was a few years ago).

13:46 <seancribbs> djcp: paths are also quasi-dynamic in Radiant. I think Daniel Sheppard benchmarked materialized paths and it didn't create a noticeable difference

13:46 <seancribbs> tree-depth tends to be < log N anyway (where N is the number of pages)

13:47 <djcp> I really, really don't think that adjacency lists are a performance problem in Radiant, it'd just be nice to have arbitrary child ordering baked right in. No biggie, though.

13:50 <seancribbs> djcp: i understand, yeah

21:57 <pillowfactory> hello

21:58 <pillowfactory> how do I reference a local javascript file deployed with my app without it being a "page"

22:00 <pillowfactory> will do

22:00 <pillowfactory> he's not on right now

22:01 <pillowfactory> but I'll ask him later

22:01 <pillowfactory> I think all paths get intercepted by the app

22:01 <pillowfactory> and expect "pages"

22:44 <toothy> hi guys, via an extension, is it possible to add to config.after_initialize ?

22:46 <toothy> oh wow, i spoke before googling... Looks like there has been discussion about this on the mailing list like 2 days ago.