05:23
<grobi2009>
hi sean
05:24
<grobi2009>
does somebody know how to use actionview helpers within radius tags?
05:25
<grobi2009>
is there an example, some extension that's using it?
05:31
<seancribbs>
grobi2009: the simple ones can/have been done but there's a lot of plumbing that some helpers expect to be present. there be dragons
05:31
<seancribbs>
i wouldn't expect them to "just work"
05:31
<grobi2009>
sean: that's what I experienced. Stuff like form_for is almost impossible to set up
05:32
<seancribbs>
yeah I wouldn't bother with form_for
05:32
<seancribbs>
if you really need view helpers, make your own controller/view and use share_layouts
05:32
<grobi2009>
sean: nor did I. It was just my first bet
05:33
<grobi2009>
sean: actually generating the <form> tag stuff is alright, it get's kind of messy in the tag when I try to add javascript validation
05:34
<seancribbs>
I would give your input elements some extra markup, perhaps a class or data-* attribute that lets the javascript know how to validate
05:35
<grobi2009>
sean: Yup. Works. :-) jQuery for the front end layout, prototype for the backend
05:36
<grobi2009>
sean: Whenever the form changes, I pass the data to a controller bypassing the login, which calls valid? on the model and answers errors back as JSON
05:42
<seancribbs>
interesting
06:55
<seanstickle>
Can Radiant be used within an existing Rails project? (I know this has been asked before, but all the answers I've found are over a year old, and maybe something has changed...)
10:19
<grobi2009>
hi there. what's best practice to exclude some urls from r:children:each ? Want to build a navigation but don't bother adding 10+ URLs to r:navigation
10:20
<john__m>
grobi2009: does <r:unless_url matches='...'>...</r:unless_url> not work?
10:21
<grobi2009>
john_m: you bet it does
10:21
<grobi2009>
thanks a bunch
10:22
<* grobi2009>
believes Radiant is the most underestimated CMS _ever_
14:14
<j2fly>
it works fine and all but doens't have any ties to asset management yet
14:14
<j2fly>
which in my opinion is the 1 shortcoming that all WYSIWYG has had in Radiant
14:14
<j2fly>
WYM had a decent drag => drop from paperclipped but WYM isn't for everyone
14:14
<j2fly>
What does it take to get a content editor like WYM or in this case CKEditor instanciated as a droppable element for the paperclipped bucket?
14:15
<seancribbs>
j2fly: virgin sacrifices
14:15
<j2fly>
seancribbs: haha... as I imagined
14:16
<j2fly>
seancribbs: too bad I don't know any virgins ;-)
14:16
<j2fly>
seancribbs: what about woo-girls? ... I know a few of them
14:16
<seancribbs>
no, seriously, i have no idea how paperclipped's dnd stuff works, but it's wonky stuff
14:17
<j2fly>
seancribbs: alright... do you know of any other WYSIWYG and Asset Management solutions that are actually any good for Radiant?
14:17
<j2fly>
I've been using an old version of FCKEditor that I hacked to allow deleting of files / folders
14:17
<j2fly>
but it's ugly
14:18
<j2fly>
and just copies the assets to a directory
14:18
<j2fly>
not searchable or anytyhing
14:18
<j2fly>
Sicne the old version of FCKEditor had that dodgy uploader built into it
14:18
<j2fly>
new one doesn't even have that
14:19
<j2fly>
I've also used TinyMCE with it's FileManager and ImageManager PHP plugins before, but I don't want to have PHP if I don't have to
14:20
<j2fly>
Supposedly TinyPaper (or something) is supposed to integrate the two, but it wasn't working well fo rme
14:20
<j2fly>
TinyMCE and Paperclipped that is
14:22
<libertiy>
also still need a good wysiwyg editor yeah
14:23
<seancribbs>
wysiwyg is overrated and underperforming IMO
14:24
<j2fly>
seancribbs: I completely agree but my boss needs it to be in the CMS systems that we install because the things the users are too stupid to know anything else
14:25
<j2fly>
and since we install Drupal, Joomla!, DotNetNuke, Ektron, and anything else anyone will pay this effing company for... I need Radiant to "compete" with them on features
14:25
<j2fly>
even if Radiant sans WYSIWYG would be better than anything else with one
14:26
<j2fly>
it doesn't matter becuase it looks worse in the eyes of management, etc
14:26
<libertiy>
its a shame radiant has so much potential but development seems to go so slow
14:26
<seanstickle>
Radiant competes by having fewer features.
14:26
<libertiy>
and just some painstackingly features are missing
14:27
<libertiy>
sean could you suggest a good wysiwyg editor for endusers ( i use none myself ) tht works with edge version?
14:27
<j2fly>
seanstickle: I realize that... it's just that one of those features can't be lack of WYSIWYG for me in my current company
14:27
<libertiy>
its also time consuming to test all extensions if they not update2 and fix them ;p
14:27
<seanstickle>
As someone who is currently having to use Drupal, I love the fact that Radiant is better at doing less.
14:27
<libertiy>
oh drupal is such a bloat of "mess" codewise ive been using that for a project
14:27
<libertiy>
very very unpleasent to customize
14:28
<libertiy>
i like that the radiant code is just clean
14:28
<libertiy>
ive started working on a complete new admin theme
14:28
<libertiy>
overriding the admin views
14:28
<libertiy>
changed all images and most of the css still working on it
14:28
<libertiy>
currently a bit of a mess
14:28
<j2fly>
unfortunately no one at my company cares about how things are built (I mean they use DotNetNuke for godsakes)
14:29
<libertiy>
dotnetnuke also worked with that, could make you do suicide what a messs
14:29
<j2fly>
I don't inclue myself in that group btw...
14:29
<libertiy>
but guys could you advice on a good wysiwyg editor?
14:29
<j2fly>
I care, it's just hard when your'e the only one
14:29
<libertiy>
thats hard then eys
14:29
<j2fly>
libertiy: the point is there isn't one that has asset management right now that "just works"
14:29
<libertiy>
radiant has no internatinalization has it?
14:29
<libertiy>
i dont need the asses management actually inside the wysiwyg editor
14:30
<libertiy>
just something for those endusers to do basic formatting
14:30
<john__m_>
j2fly: textile_editor integrates with page_attachments and somebody has a fork that integrates it with paperclipped might provide some insight
14:30
<libertiy>
what really struck me
14:30
<libertiy>
when opening the admin views of radiant
14:30
<libertiy>
is that there are just plain english strings in it
14:30
<libertiy>
not even i18n how thats called i believe
14:30
<libertiy>
so i consider just freezing the views for myself and modifying and translating them breaking easy updates
14:30
<libertiy>
and then use this to serve some small business websites
14:31
<libertiy>
for my customers os i can migrate from wordpress
14:31
<libertiy>
i geuss with rails 3 radiant will be more develope freindly in terms of customization, etc
14:34
<seanstickle>
I'm trying to write a Radiant extension to log page_id and user_id to a database table, but I'm not clear on how to construct such an extension. It's different than a tag, in that it has to run every time a page is loaded...
14:34
<seanstickle>
Is there a way to trigger something to run every time a page is viewed?
14:35
<libertiy>
i believe this channel is also not very active perhaps because we are in europe?
14:35
<libertiy>
if you really want something decent you should invest in radiant and build something on top of it or based on it
14:36
<libertiy>
its just not a full cms system yet its hacking and hacking things together to get something basicly
14:36
<seanstickle>
libertiy: are you talking to someone in particular?
14:36
<libertiy>
myself ;)
14:36
<libertiy>
i got parania from all day radiant hacking ;p
14:38
<libertiy>
im afraid i cant help you with your question seanstickle
14:38
<libertiy>
perhaps the google groups
14:38
<libertiy>
works recenable well
14:38
<libertiy>
reasonable
14:39
<libertiy>
groups.google.com then search for radiant ruby you find it
14:39
<libertiy>
so anyone on a wysiwyg editor that works with edge version?
14:52
<libertiy>
yeah i just installed that one ;)
14:52
<libertiy>
do you know maybe how i can create a regular user?
14:52
<libertiy>
with limited views
14:52
<libertiy>
they should only view the page tree and edit page create page and nothing more
14:53
<libertiy>
preferrable doing some if statements in the views to hide certain parts of the ui
14:53
<libertiy>
i really really really need this
14:53
<john__m_>
just don't make them a developer or admin
14:54
<john__m_>
it's easier in 0.9 since snippets are considered design now
14:54
<libertiy>
with developer they still see lots of stuff like the snippets etc
14:54
<libertiy>
hmm tinypaper has a very old version of tinymce
14:55
<libertiy>
so frustrating this could be the best cms there is but it lacks so many basic features
14:55
<libertiy>
you would really have to learn ruby ( im still newbie ) and code several extensions to make it fit for me
14:55
<john__m_>
_don't_ make the user a developer or admin, e.g. don't check any boxes
14:55
<libertiy>
try to make a workable solution for now
14:55
<j2fly>
libertiy: there are over 300 extensions
14:55
<john__m_>
then they can only see pages and their account
14:55
<j2fly>
I'm sure whatever you're trying to do has been done
14:55
<libertiy>
ah how simple.. that i missed that :S ;p
14:56
<libertiy>
i know lost of extensions
14:56
<libertiy>
but most of them are not updated
14:56
<j2fly>
libertiy: like which one
14:56
<john__m_>
most of them work with the latest stable release...
14:56
<john__m_>
of course running on edge will be trickier
14:56
<libertiy>
well i have a small must have and some extensions taht are the onlhy ones that fit and they are not up2date
14:56
<libertiy>
i use multisite
14:57
<libertiy>
and scoped admin
14:57
<libertiy>
from spanner
14:57
<libertiy>
on github
14:57
<libertiy>
multisite works nice but scoped admin has no ui, that does not work in latest version of radiant
14:57
<libertiy>
so i cannot assign any users to other sites
14:57
<libertiy>
there is no decent multi_site asset management
14:57
<libertiy>
no recent working wysiwyg editor , tinymce 3 is used from 2008 in tinypaper!
14:57
<j2fly>
well when you throw multi-site in there then I can't really help
14:57
<libertiy>
although i know i cannot complain
14:58
<libertiy>
its all free
14:58
<j2fly>
I haven't gotten into multi-site yet
14:58
<libertiy>
and you have to really build someting out of the pillars i guess
14:58
<john__m_>
you make things harder on yourself trying to run on the master branch. getting started with 0.8.1 would be much simpler
14:58
<libertiy>
well i just go for the " if it just works " now
14:58
<libertiy>
0.8 has even less basic features
14:59
<john__m_>
not really
14:59
<j2fly>
libertiy: they're practically the same actually
14:59
<j2fly>
libertiy: mostly UI changes
14:59
<libertiy>
ive done alot of ui changes today total unique design
14:59
<j2fly>
libertiy: are you trying to customize the admin interface?
14:59
<libertiy>
do you have it running somewhere j2fly ? would be interested in your customizations
14:59
<libertiy>
not trying im already did that most parts today
14:59
<j2fly>
libertiy: why are you bothering with the admin interface?
14:59
<libertiy>
becauase im gong to use radiant for non technical endusers
15:00
<libertiy>
around 12 customers i have hosted on wordpress curently
15:00
<libertiy>
and i want toswitch to ror hosting and dish php they need to be on a ror cms
15:00
<j2fly>
libertiy: uh... what about the existing admin interface is too hard for a non-technical customer to use?
15:00
<j2fly>
you click a page and type the text in it... lol
15:00
<libertiy>
its not but i want my own twitch to it ;)
15:00
<j2fly>
It's way way way more straightforward than any other CMS out there
15:01
<j2fly>
libertiy: I wouldn't recommend that if you want to take advantage of all the free work that others are doing... you'll prob end up causing more headaches for yourself
15:01
<j2fly>
libertiy: you certainly can
15:01
<j2fly>
but be aware that you'll need to forge somewhat of your own path :-)
15:02
<libertiy>
i just wanted to expiriment a little also im part of learning ruby on rails
15:02
<libertiy>
but i see there is missing to much with the multisite currently
15:02
<libertiy>
i must code those things myself since if i really want to use radiant
15:03
<j2fly>
libertiy: in my opinion Radiant is too complex to learn Rails with... unless you're a very experienced programmer
15:03
<libertiy>
like a contact form with multisite and asset manager that runs on multisite
15:03
<libertiy>
ive been doign some other things first j2fly
15:03
<libertiy>
im also working on my own web 2.0 app a service
15:04
<libertiy>
but i need a solid cms solution to build my marketing sites on also, so im in the middle of nowhere with no solid ready solution to back me up
15:04
<libertiy>
which is higly frustrating
15:04
<libertiy>
i consider adva cms
15:04
<libertiy>
thats one thing i still have to look into
15:04
<j2fly>
BrowserCMS is another
15:04
<libertiy>
seems to have some more basic features implemetned
15:04
<j2fly>
but BrowserCMS is quite bloated in my opinion and fairly hard to understand
15:04
<libertiy>
tryed browsercms i dont think i liked it it was some unfinished drupal to me, but still it has no multisite
15:04
<libertiy>
yes thats what i mean ala drupal ;p
15:05
<libertiy>
thats what i liked about radiant beeing so clean and simple
15:05
<libertiy>
i cant believe the dev is going so slow on it
15:05
<libertiy>
no roadmap etc
15:05
<j2fly>
well it's kind of a catch 22... it's plain and simple in the core so that YOU can do with it as you please
15:05
<libertiy>
but well im just complaining here
15:05
<libertiy>
yes i know that the fylosophy
15:06
<libertiy>
okay looks nice
15:06
<j2fly>
And you could get it running somewhere by cloning that repo... initializing the submodules running the super_import and firing up your browser
15:06
<libertiy>
still have to check your repo but you did not do big things to the ui just css?
15:07
<j2fly>
libertiy: I didn't modify the admin UI at all
15:07
<libertiy>
i dont have my app online yet just local
15:07
<libertiy>
i even modified the login window ;)
15:07
<libertiy>
hehe i coudent resist
15:07
<j2fly>
libertiy: I'm willing to be that 99% of radiant devs do not mod the admin ui
15:07
<libertiy>
i guess not
15:07
<libertiy>
its also not flexible or updateable easily
15:07
<j2fly>
libertiy: you'll have a lot of work to merge in any changes to the core if you do that
15:07
<libertiy>
if radiant had some theming system
15:07
<j2fly>
libertiy: it does for the front end... kind of
15:07
<libertiy>
i leave the backend like it is now
15:07
<j2fly>
libertiy: just leave the admin ui alone ;-)
15:08
<libertiy>
im just going to do some small fixes and then nothing more fancy
15:08
<libertiy>
is actyally rather nice
15:08
<j2fly>
ext.radiantcms.org
15:08
<libertiy>
if you would see it
15:08
<libertiy>
its not liek anything radiant and still simple
15:08
<libertiy>
what do you use for the contact form? and do you use 9.x ?
15:08
<libertiy>
ah i check you repo it would be in there ;p
15:08
<j2fly>
my git repo is on the edgiest edge there is
15:09
<j2fly>
just deployed it 2 days ago
15:09
<john__m_>
i use a modified admin ui for my client sites. mostly removing tabs and useless page editing features
15:09
<john__m_>
but it's all in an extension so updating and reuse is easy
15:09
<libertiy>
i have my site mockuped up done last week now swtill hve to implement it in radiant
15:09
<j2fly>
john__m_: right, makes sense to do it in an extension!
15:09
<libertiy>
hmm thats interesting john do you have that code shared or is it private?
15:09
<libertiy>
i wast thinking doing the same
15:09
<libertiy>
like removing the filter dropdown
15:10
<libertiy>
with some if statements or with the special radiant features with whom you can do the layout
15:10
<j2fly>
it's pretty new though... not sure where it's going
15:10
<libertiy>
yes i viewed and tested that
15:10
<john__m_>
it's easy. vendor/extensions/my_custom_ui/app/layouts/application.haml.html and go to town
15:10
<libertiy>
which is not hany for me, does that zip gets extracted?
15:10
<libertiy>
or does it load the zip everytime?
15:10
<j2fly>
it gets extracted into the db
15:10
<libertiy>
i want my snippets and themes to be on the filesystem so i can edit them easily instead of having to copy paste to the admin ui everytime
15:11
<libertiy>
tested ALL the extensions out there
15:11
<libertiy>
non worked like expected or satisfying
15:11
<libertiy>
just a /theme folder with your snippets and layouts and readiant reads from that not from the DB
15:11
<libertiy>
just like in wordpress
15:11
<libertiy>
well i have to deal with it for now ;p
15:11
<j2fly>
I build out my sites with staticmatic (others use serve)... then I just make a few layout files and call it good
15:12
<j2fly>
I use SASS and keep those files out of the DB, they're on the file system
15:12
<libertiy>
serve ive been testing that but had some problems getting it up and running
15:12
<libertiy>
tryed the radiant prototype serve project
15:12
<john__m_>
sinatra works for mockups too :)
15:12
<libertiy>
also use sass and compass saving lots of time
15:12
<libertiy>
but no other solutions for wysiwyg editors tinypaper is a reall mess
15:13
<libertiy>
i wonder how hard it is to write your own
15:13
<libertiy>
but i just dont have to time to digg that deep into the cms
15:13
<john__m_>
based on the number of them that exist probably not hard
15:13
<j2fly>
jomz! What's up dude... I didn't see that you were in the chat... do you have any plans for integrating that CKEditor extension you working on with paperclipped?
15:13
<j2fly>
I forked that extension and got it auto-loading... I think I sent a pull request, I don't remember
15:13
<libertiy>
oh my words where kinda rude ;p
15:14
<libertiy>
not mentioned that way jomz.. its just tinymce with all those buttons is a mess not the code or something ;p
15:14
<libertiy>
just to make clear
15:14
<libertiy>
even the help button is there, which shoudent.. who cares its tinymce ;p
15:15
<j2fly>
libertiy: jomz didn't build tinypaper
15:15
<libertiy>
oh I see.. getting late here
15:15
<libertiy>
the best one i found is the wymeditor
15:15
<libertiy>
using that now for myself
15:16
<j2fly>
yea, it integrates with paperclipped
15:16
<libertiy>
i think i stick with that one for the endusers also
15:16
<j2fly>
as in... you can drag to it from the assets bucket
15:16
<libertiy>
that would be nice
15:17
<john__m_>
j2fly: you can drag images into the textarea without any wysiwyg
15:17
<john__m_>
page_attachments alone can do that
15:17
<libertiy>
there is no multisite asset manager i believe
15:17
<libertiy>
spanner has one but thats not a real working one i believe
15:17
<j2fly>
john__m_: right... but when you put CKEditor or FCKEditor or TinyMCE in there then they're not droppable anymore
15:18
<libertiy>
i just now
15:18
<j2fly>
WYM is the only one that remains droppable in my testing
15:18
<libertiy>
found that wymeditor and paperclipp
15:18
<libertiy>
integrate
15:18
<libertiy>
wow this is cool
15:18
<j2fly>
that's what I've been saying
15:18
<libertiy>
just attaching an image
15:18
<libertiy>
yeah its late here ;)
15:18
<libertiy>
hmm i hope this is seperated between the multisites
15:18
<libertiy>
than another mayor issue is solved
15:19
<john__m_>
j2fly: ah. i'd never tried those so didn't realize. textile_editor+page_attachments is the only combination i've used
15:20
<john__m_>
paperclipped was way too advanced for my clients
15:20
<j2fly>
john__m_: interesting
15:20
<j2fly>
john__m_: I'll have to give textile_editor and page attachments a shot
15:20
<j2fly>
it's nice to have options
15:21
<j2fly>
I haven't been too thrilled with page_attachments implementation in the past but admittedly havent' checked it out in a while
15:21
<libertiy>
very very coool
15:21
<john__m_>
it integrates with enkoder_tags as well
15:21
<john__m_>
textile_editor that is
15:21
<j2fly>
john__m_: what's that
15:22
<john__m_>
it encodes email addresses into js
15:22
<j2fly>
oooooh shiny :-)
15:22
<j2fly>
no spam = good
15:22
<john__m_>
so clients don't inadvertently set themselves up for spam
15:23
<libertiy>
how would one undo rake radiant:extensions:paperclipped:migrate
15:23
<libertiy>
and rake radiant:extensions:paperclipped:update?
15:23
<libertiy>
is that possible from the shell?
15:23
<john__m_>
rake radiant:extensions:paperclipped:migrate VERSION=0
15:23
<libertiy>
with a command
15:23
<john__m_>
as for update you just have to dig around and delete the files manually
15:23
<john__m_>
i've lobbied for an uninstall task a few times but it never caught on
15:24
<j2fly>
john__m_: libertiy: my advice for undoing the update is 2 fold... always version control your site between every extension you install so you can reset it to HEAD if you want
15:24
<j2fly>
and if that isn't an option... then just run update again to get the list of files it spits out and manually go about deleting gthem
15:24
<john__m_>
./script/extension uninstall paperclipped would do the migrate VERSION=0 part though
15:24
<libertiy>
okay ive red that before just forgot it thanks a lot
15:25
<john__m_>
j2fly: my advice for undoing the update is to use ray :)
15:25
<j2fly>
alternatively if you don't want to run update again to get that file list you can dig into the extension in the vendor dir and look at what's in the public dir
15:25
<john__m_>
but don't actually use ray. then i might have to support it ;0
15:25
<j2fly>
john__m_: speaking of which it was broken last time I tried to use it
15:25
<j2fly>
this weekend
15:25
<john__m_>
yeah. github changed some stuff around
15:26
<libertiy>
how about the I18n
15:26
<john__m_>
it should be fixed as of yesterday i think
15:26
<j2fly>
brand new radiant site... ruby script/install ray... then ray extension:install name=drag (or whatever) and it just didn't work
15:26
<libertiy>
i downloaded that from a bigge project but no idea on how to install it
15:26
<j2fly>
hmmm... good to know
15:26
<j2fly>
I was missing it :-(
15:26
<j2fly>
john__m_: do you know much about git submodules?
15:26
<john__m_>
i know i don't like them
15:27
<j2fly>
really!?! damn... that's what I keep hearing
15:27
<j2fly>
did you get burned by svn:externals too
15:27
<john__m_>
we just never clicked
15:27
<john__m_>
and heroku doesn't like them
15:28
<john__m_>
i actually use ray in http mode most of the time
15:29
<j2fly>
Well... here's a quick question for you anyway... if I install an extension via a git submodule and commit that new submodule to my repo (at whatever version it was when I installed it) and then that extension is updated in the repo where I installed it from... do those changes get automatically pulled in if I say... cap deploy? Or would I have to cd to the extension folder and do a git pull then commit that new change to my top level r
15:29
<j2fly>
and then when cap is pulling form that remote repo it will pull the latest commit?
15:29
<j2fly>
basically... whatever version of the external repo I pull and commit... does my main repo track that at the commit level for the external repo?
15:29
<john__m_>
the submodule is frozen to the version you installed until you manually update it
15:30
<j2fly>
so that when it pulls it it knows what commit to pull from? Or does it always just pull from master => head
15:31
<john__m_>
i imagine auto-updating submodules would be a nightmare
15:32
<libertiy>
i would like to freeze them somehow
15:32
<libertiy>
its also a pain to deploy them it was at first you have to add them as a git submodule
15:32
<john__m_>
libertiy: submodule are frozen
15:32
<libertiy>
john_m how did you hide certain parts of you ui?
15:33
<j2fly>
lol... wanna go ride bikes?
15:33
<john__m_>
- if admin? ...
15:33
<libertiy>
i dont have my evenening ifcourse john is right
15:33
<j2fly>
I love how ALL irc is ADD :-)
15:33
<libertiy>
yes only display some parts if tthe user is admin
15:33
<libertiy>
like filter section
15:33
<libertiy>
or better hiding some stuff when a normal user
15:33
<john__m_>
libertiy: - if admin? is the code :)
15:34
<john__m_>
at least in 0.8
15:34
<libertiy>
just like if admin?
15:34
<libertiy>
so simple ;p
15:34
<john__m_>
haven't looked at 0.9
15:34
<john__m_>
probably the same though
15:35
<libertiy>
j2fly: you ahve a lot of interesting extensions in your git repo
15:35
<libertiy>
thanks i look into tmorrow ;P im at the end of my code/type quality
15:35
<j2fly>
libertiy: if you do pull that down make sure to run 2 commands
15:36
<libertiy>
no dont want to pull it down
15:36
<libertiy>
i want to add some extensions you use
15:36
<j2fly>
"git submodule init" and "git submodule update"
15:36
<libertiy>
they all work with the 0.x
15:36
<libertiy>
yes indeed those 2 commands i forgot about it
15:36
<libertiy>
cool i really could use some functionality from that but i try to keep radiant lean for now
15:36
<j2fly>
You'll need my fork of a few of them too
15:36
<j2fly>
to work with 0.9
15:36
<libertiy>
if it works and i can do my sites and my customers can do there sites its good enough for me
15:36
<libertiy>
for this year
15:37
<libertiy>
i still have a dream of the ideal cms maybe going to build it one day, maybe on top of radaint ;)
15:37
<libertiy>
i must make money the situation is terrible here
15:37
<libertiy>
i worked as freelancer self employmed but almost no more work for me
15:37
<j2fly>
libertiy: where are you from?
15:38
<libertiy>
netherlands
15:38
<j2fly>
libertiy: ic
15:38
<libertiy>
ic ? is that a state in us?
15:38
<j2fly>
libertiy: heh, no... ic as in "I see"
15:38
<j2fly>
I'm from Wisconsin, USA
15:38
<libertiy>
hows life there?
15:38
<j2fly>
libertiy: getting warmer
15:39
<j2fly>
libertiy: we had quite a bit of snow this year
15:39
<libertiy>
are you student or do yo work as developer ?
15:39
<libertiy>
here the same still winter here. long winter
15:39
<j2fly>
libertiy: I'm a first time homeowner so I got to shovel a ton
15:39
<j2fly>
libertiy: full time Rails dev at the moment
15:39
<libertiy>
thats cool thats what i aim for in the near future
15:39
<libertiy>
well. i guess i should do rails at least 1 year before im any good to anyone else ;p
15:39
<j2fly>
libertiy: I'm the only one at my company that does rails right now though... trying like hell to get it embeded more
15:40
<j2fly>
radiant is part of my plan for that :-)
15:40
<j2fly>
I am doing a very large custom rails project for a health care company right now though
15:40
<libertiy>
i got frustrated on php and found out about ruby, to late though
15:40
<libertiy>
i should have known about it in 1997
15:40
<j2fly>
so I'm spanning both sides of our business... Apps dev and shitty little CMS sites :-)
15:40
<libertiy>
okay ill see.. you work with some digital agency?
15:40
<j2fly>
libertiy: people around here still do mostly .NET and PHP
15:40
<libertiy>
and you guys still ahve work with this economic situation?
15:41
<j2fly>
we're drowning in work
15:41
<j2fly>
constantly hiring
15:41
<j2fly>
apparently everyone still needs websites/apps
15:42
<j2fly>
It's just not all work that I would take if I owned the business... ya know?
15:42
<libertiy>
i see yes
15:42
<libertiy>
well here its kinda messed up situation
15:42
<j2fly>
they could be more picky and get more upper echelon clients, but we'll do 2k sites all day long... ugh... 30-40 hours sites, hardly have time to ramp up and you're doing something else.
15:43
<j2fly>
anyway, I gotta run
15:43
<j2fly>
I'm usually on though so if you have any questions about the extensions I used or anything feel free to hit me up
15:43
<libertiy>
whats the contact form you use btw
15:44
<libertiy>
okay have a good night/day ;)
15:44
<j2fly>
libertiy: mailer
15:44
<j2fly>
there are a bunch